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Re: [ide-dev] Beware MSFT bullshit

On 03/23/2017 12:46 PM, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

You are asking for data - is https://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/eclipse-color-theme#group-metrics-tab being constantly at top 1 or 2 in marketplace not the most concrete evidence of people missing and valuing basic syntax highlighting ?

Max, correct me if I'm mistaken, but Color Themes doesn't add any syntax highlighting capability to other languages, it just allows to change the colors used by existing syntax highlighters - that are to be installed separately.
If so, I fail at seeing how we can infer anything regarding needs of more language with syntax highlighting with installation data of Eclipse color theme.

Sorry you are right - I could have sworn in past there was a plugin on top based on eclipse colorer but seems that one was disbanded.

Anyways, basic user minded features.

We have to stop only focusing on building frameworks for other plugin developers.

I do strongly disagree with that. The community needs more users, but also more adopters and we (the current active developers of the IDE at large) cannot implement good support for all languages.

Noone says we shouldn't be adding support adding good support for all languages. But then make that happen by making the platform or at least EPP have these things bundled not separate.

If we want to keep having the Eclipse IDE a polyglot and universal IDE, we also need to put some efforts in having 3rd party contributors (or by the way Eclipse.org project contributors) more productive at writing Eclipse-based tools. In that sense, TM4E and LSP4E are already helping.

Yes and I have not said any of that was bad or should be stopped. I've only been saying that as long as it is outside platform and not in EPP it will not have much impact - just look at the many attempts in past that happend outside platform and EPP.

Yes, so you are showing that majority of users capable of using eclipse marketplace decides to install a plugin for basic syntax highlighting. Nothing else.

See 1st comment, as far as I understand, Color Theme doesn't provide any basic syntax highlighting. I used this example like I could have used any other to highlight that the installation trend doesn't seem too bad.

it does look bad. it is growing less than growth of developers in general.

So effectively marketplace installs are declining relative to the rest of industry.

/max
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