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Re: [] What is appropriate use of this list

I agree with you Karl.

I suggest the description of the list be updated to capture some of the changes in its purpose that had been decided at arch. council.


This list is the formal mailing list for committers on Eclipse projects. This list will be used by the Eclipse Foundation to communicate items of specific interest to the committers such as project process, Board representative elections, etc.


This list is for committers on Eclipse projects to make announcements or discuss issues that are relevant to all committers (or, nearly all). It is a good place to committers to ask committer-specific "how to" questions (such as "where's that link for the standard about.html file") or notify the community of important bugs that might effect them (such as "why is SVN so slow and can we change versions of CVS"). In most cases bugs should be open for any issues requiring lengthy discussion so those interested can follow the bug, and this list just be used to make others aware of the location of the bug.

Following my own advise, I have opened a bug, to further discuss this proposed change in the description, which would also capture the correct or incorrect use of the list.


From: Karl Matthias <karl.matthias@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 10/06/2008 01:06 PM
Subject: Re: [] What is appropriate use of this list

Schaefer, Doug wrote:
> We talked about the need to build a committer community at the
> architecture council meetings. And we talked about using this list to
> do that. It's disappointing to hear committers, especially ones who
> are on the architecture council, wanting to opt out of that.
> If we decide to throttle discussion here, we'll end up with none, again.

+1.  Can someone explain to me what the burden is of having this list
arrive in your email box?  You are in control of your email box and can
organize it however you like.  If you feel you're seeing too much
traffic, then why not filter the list into a folder and read it when you
have the time?  I do agree that asking for help on this list is not
appropriate.  Ed is correct that this goes to almost 1000 people (932
actually).  If it really doesn't apply to the community then lets not
post it here.  But personally I fail to see any burden being placed on
anyone.  I get many hundreds of emails a day and they get filtered into
appropriate folders where I can deal with them as needed.  If I find a
whole thread I don't want to read I just remove the thread.  Nearly all
modern email software handles this for you.

On the other hand I see a lot of discussion here that has happened
*nowhere* else.  Not on Planet, not on bugs, not on cross-projects-dev.  
In my opinion this community spends a lot of time working only at the
project level and not very much time sharing community-wide.  Planet is
really the only other online place where everyone can come together, and
unfortunately discussions on blogs are not easily tracked, shared,
followed up on by most people.  Planet posts tend to be ephemeral.  How
many have you ever seen with more than a handful of comments?  And blogs
are spread out all over the 'Net with historical discussion remaining
very difficult to  find.  Bugs are also not a replacement community-wide
discussion point, in many cases.  Very often things that might get
community support get one or two comments and no one else finds them or
comments on them.  Few people take the time (who has it?) to poll
Bugzilla for interesting issues that might need their attention but are
on other projects.

To me this list is a perfect place for that kind of community-wide
discussion.  I see almost no burden in being forcibly subscribed to this
list.  For those of you who agree and who commented to me privately,
your comments on the list would be welcome.


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