| Scott, 
 Perhaps I didn't understand well your wish and/or perhaps don't
    understand what you mean about releng... But if were about to do
    something related to ECF's Buckminster, honestly is out of my
    knowledge...
 
 
 Cristiano
 
 On 12/06/12 16:10, Scott Lewis wrote:
 
      
      Hi Christiano,
 I'm not sure if knowing Maven and Tycho really limits you (there's
      no particular requirement on what build tech is required/necessary
      to do this)...but ok.
 
 Scott
 
 
 On 6/12/2012 12:05 PM, Cristiano Gavião wrote:
 
        
        Well, Unfortunately I will not be able to help you with this releng
        task because the unique build tool that I'm know well is Maven
        and in the last couple years, Tycho.
 
 cheers,
 
 Cristiano
 
 On 12/06/12 15:47, Scott Lewis wrote:
 
          
          Christiano,
 Regrettably, I haven't been able to keep these example/test
          apps maintained as ECF has moved forward.
 
 My intention/desire these days is to work on the releng such
          that new versions of ECF could be automatically packaged for
          Android usage (for client and/or server for some
          protocols)...but like many other things, it remains a little
          out of reach (for resources/time)...at the moment.
 
 Scott
 
 
 On 6/12/2012 11:41 AM, Cristiano Gavião wrote:
 
            
            Hi Scott,
 I've tried to get it work today, but I couldn't because
            there were some API changes in latest ECF and I couldn't
            resolve in my short study time...
 
 But I'll try again tomorrow...
 
 thanks,
 
 Cristiano
 
 On 12/06/12 15:00, Scott Lewis wrote:
 
              
              Hi Christiano,
 Those are some of my early experiments.    The goals were
              to make some simple/test android clients...that use ECF
              for communication.
 
 Scott
 
 
 On 6/12/2012 8:36 AM, Cristiano Gavião wrote:
 
                
                Hi, 
 I've found this project on github:
                
                
                https://github.com/ECF/Android
 
 Could someone explain me what it is and the goals of
                this project?
 
 
 thanks,
 
 Cristiano
 
 On 11/06/12 13:57, Scott Lewis wrote:
 Christiano, 
 On 6/11/2012 8:51 AM, Cristiano Gavião wrote:
 
 Hi guys, 
 I was reading this article: http://eclipse.dzone.com/articles/eclipse-indigo-highlights-ecf
 and there is a nice video of one android app using
                    ECF and Google Wave.
 
 Google wave was discontinued, so what is the
                    alternative in actual days for this kind of mobile
                    applications ?
 
 So...this effort (by Mustafa Isik and Sebastian
                  Schmidt) used some of the ECF core classes...and, in
                  fact whole plugins/jars...to support the Wave provider
                  work [1].  These plugins/classes...and their runtime
                  class dependencies...were added to the Android
                  projects as library jars (I think)...and so were
                  loaded/used at runtime without actually running a
                  complete OSGi framework.
 
 Running outside of OSGi is something that can be done
                  with much...although not all...of ECF.   I do this
                  myself with other parts of ECF (e.g. the shared object
                  API)...in order to make it simple to create
                  Android-based clients that can easily and extensibly
                  communicate/message with ECF servers/services (that
                  happen to run under a full OSGi framework).
 
 There is some work (as yet undone) to do the releng
                  associated with using the relevant parts of ECF in a
                  non-OSGi environment.  For example, the creation of
                  the non-bundle jars and the elimination of the
                  unneeded classes from ECF, OSGi, and Equinox would be
                  very desirable for this usage...along with creating a
                  single distribution-ready Android library...rather
                  than several jars.  Doing these things would make it
                  much easier for people to consume/use ECF in Android
                  environments.
 
 One other point...although Google wave was
                  discontinued as an application, I suspect Google would
                  like to continue to use (and have others use) the wave
                  protocol...i.e. [2].  This was the work upon which [1]
                  is based, so I don't think this is completely out of
                  the technical picture (although the Wave application
                  is indeed discontinued).  But I'm not directly
                  connected with the Wave protocol work these days...so
                  I could be wrong on this.
 
 Scott
 
 [1] https://github.com/ECF/Wave
 [2] http://www.waveprotocol.org/
 
 
 
 
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