On 14/05/2018 5:06 AM, Mike Milinkovich wrote:
We've sort of stepped backward and forward repeatedly over several
Could we take a step back for a moment?
Yes, we've discussed this situation several times.
In addition to straightening out the name for the simultaneous
release, we also need to come up with a new name for the Eclipse
top-level project so that it conforms to the usual trademark
guidelines that apply to all Eclipse projects.
Yes, if the platform has a branded name, that would give some better
Is there perhaps at least a small chance that naming the simrel
would become easier if we had a name for the project upon which
most of the simrel is based?
Dani can speak for himself, but I believe that was a suggestion for
the name of one specific release. Personally I feel that coming up
with a new release name every 4 months is kind of a brick wall...
If the Eclipse Project decides to rename itself the Eclipse
Quark project, then wouldn't have an influence on the discussion
here? (I am not sure if Dani was joking about the "Q" name, but
it is not an inherently bad idea.)
Indeed, but the cart moves forward in July...
I sort of have a hunch that maybe we've put the cart before the
Certainly having some brand name associated with the Eclipse
Platform would help guide the discussion.
Note that I am not saying that the name of the
top-level project would automatically become the brand we use
for the desktop IDE or the simrel. All I'm saying is that having
the name of the TLP might provide the anchor that Gunnar was
Which isn't exactly an interesting brand name.
FWIW, this quote from Nick Boldt really resonated with me: "Call
it what you will, it's still the quarterly desktop IDE release
I did ask for guidance on this subject at the board meeting but was
left with little that I could bring back to the council on this
subject. And of course, as I keep asking, where do we expect to see
Which is why calling the simrel "Eclipse Desktop Platform
09-2018" or "Eclipse Quark(*) 09-2018" or even "Eclipse Code(*)
09-2018" would all be fine IMO. Anything that makes it sound
like it encompasses everything at the Eclipse Foundation (e.g.
"Eclipse 09-2018") is not okay.
(*) pending trademark review and approval