Gunnar,
Comments below.
On 04.05.2018 13:37, Gunnar Wagenknecht
wrote:
Part of my "too narrow IDE focus" is caused
by combining 1 with 2+3. I think 2+3 must have IDE in
it's brand name (and URLs).
A
segment in a URL is not a brand. :P
Why not? It has been the brand for many many years now....
I'm just taking the liberty to quote Mike on this point. A URL
falls in the "technical artifacts" domain, like Java package names,
executable names, and so on. No one (and certainly not the Board)
has suggested that we ought to change a whole whack of URLs, package
names, executable names.
So, why not focus the discussion on the URL (segment)?
Maybe it will be helpful on our path towards solving the name
issue?
Well, I suggested that just as Photon, the product version indicator
in the splash screen, is replaced by YYYY-MM, so too photon, the
version indicator in the URL, is replaced by YYYY-MM. In both cases
a brand is replaced by something informative, i.e., something that
is merely a version indicator and not a brand.
Well, it is starting to seem to me like political correctness rules
the world. I hear in Berlin that too many streets have masculine
names. I'm sure that's a highly unfortunate fact in many cities
around the world, and I'm sure it's more than reasonable that names
ought to be assigned in a more well-balanced manner. But it doesn't
seem all that reasonable to me to start renaming the streets. So to
continue down this politically incorrect line of thought, I have to
point out that the URL already exists, people are already using it,
and it already means something. It takes a lot of effort to do an
address change; it's disruptive, confusing and costly. Are we
really so hung up on political correctness that we ought to start
moving URLs? I sure hope not.
Also your question itself is a misdirection. It's definitely not an
issue of the Eclipse IDE deserving to be special, it's merely a
reflection of the fact that the Eclipse IDE came first. URLs were
chosen in that context. Furthermore, the IDE's success has been the
Foundation's success. Now that success has diversified greatly,
which is beyond awesome for everyone, including the IDE, because
without the Foundation we'd all be in a very hard place. Given how
much the IDE's success has contributed to the fact that our great
community exists at all, it seems highly unfair and inappropriate to
suggest that a whole whack URLs need to change on the download
server (and on the wiki too?) just to make the Eclipse IDE unspecial
in a politically correct way.
Certainly URLs like the following would seem a reasonable way of
creating more new specialness for others communities without
disruption to the long established address space:
http://download.eclipse.org/jakarta
http://download.eclipse.org/iot
http://download.eclipse.org/science
In fact, URLs like these already exist:
https://science.eclipse.org/
https://iot.eclipse.org/
Perhaps there will be (or can be) specialized download hosts for the
other growing domains just as there are specialized http hosts
already. Then there will be a new address space in which to create
new special addresses as best suits each community.
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