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Re: [pdt-dev] Financial or other support to get PDT up to PHP 8.x support?
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I agree with you that it's no small lift. I am also aware that
it's an aging platform running on some older dependencies.
However, I don't think just getting the support for the newer
versions is that complicated. There is already a strong enough
framework for supporting different versions of PHP built-in. It
would not need a complete rewrite, I believe, to support newer
versions, they can be extended from the older versions without
disabling the support for the older ones. I realize this is
oversimplifying, but there are also not crazy changes in 8.1 ->
8.2, for example, that I think would make this so difficult.
I'd love someone to demonstrate to me that this is truly
impossible, then I can put effort somewhere else, but as for now,
I see this as the most likely way to achieve some kind of
support. Otherwise, I can explore something else.
Sincerely,
Basil
On 2/17/23 9:29 PM, Jeff Dafoe wrote:
I used PDT for two decades. Looking at the
current state of things, its two major PHP versions behind. I
don’t see a realistic path for it to support newer versions of
PHP.
I understand the point you are making, but that's not really
my goal in what I had written. If it's just 30 people using
PDT, and they are interested in supporting it, that's fine.
We're not looking to dismount PHPStorm or VSCode or anything
else from their positions. We (or, at least me), want and
prefer PDT to be successful because we make use of, believe
in, and want to support free-and-open-source software over
alternatives that are not considered free software.
Therefore, if there are people interested in supporting this
project, then we'll organize whatever efforts we need to take
to do so within our abilities.
Sincerely,
Basil
On 2/17/23 9:19 PM, Jeff Dafoe wrote:
I think the issue is that Jetbrains
PHPStorm has pretty much replaced PDT
I reached out to Dawid directly about a month-and-a-half
ago, but unfortunately I received no response. I get the
feeling the current maintainer is either unable or unwilling
to continue running the project. I hope that I can be
proven wrong and we get the project restarted as-is.
With that said, is there any interest from anyone else in
taking action to see if we can petition to have a new
maintainer for the project, perhaps from among ourselves? I
don't particular want it, I cannot even program in Java, but
I am devoted user of PDT and concerned for its future, and
would love to facilitate a process that kickstarts
development again. Sadly, there are few to no other
alternatives that, like PDT, are truly cross-platform,
free-and-open-source, comprehensive IDEs for PHP web
development. VSCodium may have the chops, but it's not a
pleasant experience for me and I hate being tied to MS.
At a minimum, if the platform can be updated to support up
through 8.2, that'd be a huge step forward. I am willing to
explore sponsoring development in that direction, whether
from myself (can't afford much) or organizing a campaign and
even hiring someone from Upwork or similar, unless someone
on the list wants to take a crack at it first.
So, basically, I'm proposing, if we have a compelling case
to continue development, to petition the Eclipse foundation
to transfer or at least open-up ownership of this project to
someone who can lead it further down.
Alternatively, we can always fork it, but I'd rather
exhaust all options for the original project continue
forward before forking and losing the history we have with
this project and its associated history.
Any thoughts? I hope I'm not the only one.
Sincerely,
Basil
On 12/2/22 9:17 AM, Alexander McKee
wrote:
I think the main issue is that
there is only one PDT developer, Dawid, who is
intermittently active. I tried to get involved,
there's still a PR open, but unfortunately it doesn't
seem help is welcome.
I even sponsored Dawid using
GitHub's sponsorship feature for a while.
I don't want to make it about
Dawid, he's clearly done a lot of work on PDT over the
years but he is also evidently not working
consistently on PDT and the product is suffering as a
result.
I wish he would work with other
people to help enable more development to take place.
I am using PHPStorm now but I
wish I could use an open source product like PDT.
I'd like to offer to help get some kind of support,
whether financial or otherwise, to the PDT project in
order to get development going again, especially with
regards to PHP 8.2 support, which is just about to be
released. As it stands now, PDT only supports up to
7.4.
Please let me know if there's some way that we can
bring in support from outside, whether through sponsors
or development resources, and if so, how best we can
manage that.
I don't want to pressure the core developers, rather, I
just want to offer support. Sadly, I'm not fluent in
Java so I don't think I can contribute directly, else I
would have long ago.
I hope this garners some support, because I love PDT as
a tool and I would love to keep using it, but there are
key features in the latest versions of PHP (such as the
match construct) that just aren't recognized and
are parsed as errors in PDT currently.
Sincerely,
Basil
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