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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [External] : Re: : Re: Standardizing new TCK packages (was:package prefixes for Jakarta Batch TCK-related classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)




Le mar. 11 janv. 2022 à 10:17, Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
On 1/11/22 9:01 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 21:18, Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :
>
>     On 1/10/22 9:00 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>      > Well I would defend that in terms of time it is quite fast (way
>     faster
>      > than using jakarta instead of javax for ex since it is just about
>     moving
>      > the code, there is no restriction about resources AFAIK - weridly).
>
>     every TCK comes with documentation, assertions list and other files,
>     some do also have tests defined in text/html/xml files etc, so it is
>     not
>     just about moving the code. Some TCKs also take non-trivial amount of
>     time to set up and execute (probably the longest one is xml binding tck
>     which is ~8hours/run) to test/check the change.
>
>
> Ok, fast = < 1h man time investment cause it can be 100% automated (done
> by bulk at least for the poor man solution), so still not a blocker
> IMHO....

under the assumption each project is handled by different group of
people. Suprisingly, that is not true and there are cases where the size
of the group is low and corresponding number of projects to handle by
such group is high.

So the question is - who will do the real work on TCKs side to guarantee
that current target date - end of Feb, so sth like 6 weeks from now,
unless I'm mistaken - is not put on risk?

Guess, since it is a technical task and not a real spec definition task, it can be a task force of 1-2 people for all specs.
Is it something possible?
Current risk to not be able to certify validating executions is higher from my window anyway, no?
 

--lukas


and anyway it is about ensuring tck will help to certify the
> vendors or tck will be dead binaries so not sure there is a choice.
>
>
>     thanks,
>     --lukas
>
>      > Now it is also a miss in javax->jakarta move and nobody
>     complained until
>      > now so maybe all vendors have workarounds and it is not that
>     critical
>      > but I would fix it, worse case in a new release of TCK without
>      > re-releasing the platform (= make the release then catch up but
>     ensure
>      > it is done somehow).
>      >
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>      > Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:54, Lukas Jungmann
>     <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      > <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>> a écrit :
>      >
>      >     On 1/10/22 8:45 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>      >      > @Lukas: as Emily pointed out we are not talking about
>      >     implementation -
>      >      > we mentionned implementations have solutions for that in
>     general
>      >     but it
>      >      > is not a requirement of TCK nor the platform - and it is
>      >     referenced in
>      >      > the platform itself. Reusing the same namespace is wrong as
>      >     explained
>      >      > before and is the best promise of a not functional setup.
>     I can
>      >     agree
>      >      > JSON* specs are quite particular cause rather simpler than
>     others
>      >     and
>      >      > for this one it will likely work but it is not the most common
>      >     case and
>      >      > I don't think aving a particular case not showing a good
>     example
>      >     of the
>      >      > platform best practise would be good to promote - but
>     means it is
>      >     ok to
>      >      > not change for next release but will be a must after if
>     you are
>      >     afraid
>      >      > of delays.
>      >
>      >     to be clear - I'm not against requiring it for the next
>     release. I'm
>      >     against requiring it now for EE 10 given where we are,
>     especially for
>      >     specs which are near completion, such as JSON Processing, or
>     generally
>      >     specs in waves 0-1 (maybe 2). Those in later waves do still
>     have some
>      >     reasonable amount of time to adapt to this change.
>      >
>      >     thanks,
>      >     --lukas
>      >
>      >
>      >      >
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>      >      > Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:23, Thomas Watson
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>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> a écrit :
>      >      >
>      >      >     I agree this is a rather lengthy thread, things get
>     lost and
>      >     I would
>      >      >     not like to rehash this conversation again.  I'll only
>     point
>      >     you to
>      >      >     this portion of the thread that I encourage you to read:
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >
>     https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg03064.html
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>      >      >     Tom
>      >      >     P.S.  I know we want more to happen outside of the
>     calls, but I
>      >      >     think stuff like this would have been much better
>     tracked in a
>      >      >     github issue than continuing in a mailing list thread
>     like this.
>      >      >
>      >      >         ----- Original message -----
>      >      >         From: "Lukas Jungmann" <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      >      >         Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [External] : Re:
>      >      >         Standardizing new TCK packages (was:package
>     prefixes for
>      >     Jakarta
>      >      >         Batch TCK-related classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >      >         Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 1:12 PM
>      >      >         On 1/10/22 7:08 PM, Emily Jiang via
>      >     jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
>      >      >          > The reasoning was mentioned in this mailing
>     list thread as
>      >      >         part of
>      >      >          > conversation.
>      >      >
>      >      >         I'm sorry but I got lost in the thread at the
>     point where
>      >     it was
>      >      >         said
>      >      >         that _some_ implementations are having hard times
>     optimizing
>      >      >         themselves.
>      >      >         If that is the problem, then, IMHO,
>     implementations should be
>      >      >         fixed as
>      >      >         they are usually those the best knowing the real "why"
>      >     for what
>      >      >         are they
>      >      >         doing. I believe that what they are doing is not
>     correct
>      >     in 100%
>      >      >         cases
>      >      >         and  it is possibly just a matter of time till someone
>      >     files an
>      >      >         issue
>      >      >         for some of those corner-cases for which the
>      >     "optimization" is
>      >      >         wrong.
>      >      >
>      >      >         Or are we going to just exclude/update failing tests
>      >     instead of
>      >      >         fixing
>      >      >         the root causes of the problems going forward?
>      >      >
>      >      >         thanks,
>      >      >         --lukas
>      >      >
>      >      >
>      >      >          > Thanks
>      >      >          > Emily
>      >      >          >
>      >      >          > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:48 PM Lukas Jungmann
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>      >      >          >
>      >      >          >     On 1/10/22 6:31 PM, Emily Jiang via
>      >      >         jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
>      >      >          >      > Hi Lukas,
>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >      > In your scenario, since you are using
>     the forbidden
>      >      >         package naming
>      >      >          >      > convention, I think it should be updated for
>      >     Jakarta
>      >      >         EE 10.
>      >      >          >
>      >      >          >     Who and when has forbidden it?
>      >      >          >
>      >      >          >     thanks,
>      >      >          >     --lukas
>      >      >          >
>      >      >          >      > Before the voting is over, you can
>     choose one
>      >     of the
>      >      >         options in
>      >      >          >     the list
>      >      >          >      > and go from there.
>      >      >          >      > Thanks
>      >      >          >      > Emily
>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >      > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:21 PM Lukas
>     Jungmann
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>     <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >      >     On 1/10/22 5:54 PM, Thomas Watson wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      > +1
>      >      >          >      >      > So far we have only agreed that for
>      >     Jakarta 10 the
>      >      >          >     jakarta.* package
>      >      >          >      >      > name must NOT be used.  Ideally
>     we would
>      >     have a
>      >      >         vote so
>      >      >          >     that any new
>      >      >          >      >      > TCKs for Jakarta 10 would be able
>     to use an
>      >      >         agreed package
>      >      >          >     name,
>      >      >          >      >     but I
>      >      >          >      >      > don't think we should delay
>     anything for
>      >      >         Jakarta 10 outside of
>      >      >          >      >     not allow
>      >      >          >      >      > jakarta.* be used for TCK packages.
>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >      >     just to make sure I understand this - in
>      >     jsonp-tck
>      >      >         which has been
>      >      >          >      >     extracted from the platform repo to
>     jsonp repo,
>      >      >         tests were
>      >      >          >     moved to
>      >      >          >      >     `jakarta.jsonp.tck` package and the
>     TCK as
>      >     such is
>      >      >         considered
>      >      >          >     almost
>      >      >          >      >     complete. We have one pending PR
>     there + final
>      >      >         review pending
>      >      >          >     before
>      >      >          >      >     turning the draft spec PR into the
>     regular one.
>      >      >         Are we really
>      >      >          >     required
>      >      >          >      >     to refactor everything at this stage
>     again?
>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >      >     --lukas
>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      > Tom
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >     ----- Original message -----
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>      >      >          >      >     Standardizing new
>      >      >          >      >      >     TCK packages (was:package
>     prefixes for
>      >      >         Jakarta Batch
>      >      >          >     TCK-related
>      >      >          >      >      >     classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >      >          >      >      >     Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 10:22 AM
>      >      >          >      >      >     Hi Scott,
>      >      >          >      >      >     My responses are inline below.
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >     Thanks
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >     Emily
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >     On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 4:14 PM
>      >     Scott Marlow
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>     wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >         On 1/6/22 4:51 PM, David
>     Blevins
>      >     wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>         It sounds like we're all
>     coming to
>      >      >         agreement and
>      >      >          >     we're
>      >      >          >      >     down to
>      >      >          >      >      >>         just picking the name.
>     To Nathan's
>      >      >         point, being
>      >      >          >     quick
>      >      >          >      >     is key.
>      >      >          >      >      >>
>      >      >          >      >      >>         Here's a proposal on how to
>      >     wrap this up:
>      >      >          >      >      >>
>      >      >          >      >      >>          - We give till Monday 8am
>      >     Pacific for
>      >      >         people to
>      >      >          >     suggest a
>      >      >          >      >      >>         package prefix that does
>     not start
>      >      >         with "jakarta"
>      >      >          >      >      >>
>      >      >          >      >      >>          - On Monday we start a
>     72-hour
>      >     rank
>      >      >         choice vote
>      >      >          >     here on the
>      >      >          >      >      >>         mailing list.
>      >      >          >      >      >>
>      >      >          >      >      >>          - If the chosen option
>     needs to be
>      >      >         eliminated
>      >      >          >     for any
>      >      >          >      >     reason,
>      >      >          >      >      >>         we go to the second choice,
>      >     etc.  No
>      >      >         new vote
>      >      >          >     necessary
>      >      >          >      >     (yay,
>      >      >          >      >      >>         ranked choice).
>      >      >          >      >      >>
>      >      >          >      >      >>          - The chosen prefix
>     would be a
>      >      >         recommendation for
>      >      >          >      >     Jakarta EE
>      >      >          >      >      >>         10 and a requirement for
>     Jakarta EE
>      >      >         11.  TCK
>      >      >          >     classes from
>      >      >          >      >      >>         Jakarta EE 9.x and
>     before are
>      >     exempt,
>      >      >         though we
>      >      >          >     may chose to
>      >      >          >      >      >>         have a separate
>     discussion to
>      >     change
>      >      >         them at some
>      >      >          >     point.
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >         Will the vote be for
>      >     recommending that
>      >      >         new TCK
>      >      >          >     tests to
>      >      >          >      >     be added
>      >      >          >      >      >         to EE 10 will use the package
>      >     prefix?
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >       I think if possible, use
>     the agreed
>      >      >         package prefix.
>      >      >          >     If not,
>      >      >          >      >     leave
>      >      >          >      >      >     it for now. I think the
>     minimum is
>      >     not to
>      >      >         use jakarta.*
>      >      >          >      >     prefix as it
>      >      >          >      >      >     might cause issues.
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >         Will the vote be for
>     requiring
>      >     that new
>      >      >         TCK tests
>      >      >          >     to be
>      >      >          >      >     added to
>      >      >          >      >      >         EE 11 will use the
>     package prefix?
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >     Jakarta EE 11 new TCKs must
>     use the new
>      >      >         namespace.
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >         Scott
>      >      >          >      >      >
>      >      >          >      >      >>         Unless there are other
>      >     proposals, I'll
>      >      >         kick that
>      >      >          >     vote off on
>      >      >          >      >      >>         Monday.
>      >      >          >      >      >>
>      >      >          >      >      >>
>      >      >          >      >      >>         -David
>      >      >          >      >      >>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         On Jan 6, 2022, at
>     10:51 AM,
>      >     Nathan Rauh
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>     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Emily,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         To answer your
>     question, it's an
>      >      >         existing TCK
>      >      >          >     that we are
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         porting from the
>     platform into
>      >     the the
>      >      >          >     particular spec
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         project where we are also
>      >     adding new
>      >      >         test cases to
>      >      >          >      >     cover the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         function that is new in EE
>      >     10.  The
>      >      >         developer
>      >      >          >     working
>      >      >          >      >     on the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         TCK port overachieved
>     and had
>      >     renamed the
>      >      >          >     packages from
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         whatever they were
>     previously to
>      >      >         jakarta.*, and
>      >      >          >     then others
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         of us when adding new tests
>      >     used the same
>      >      >          >     package to match
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         the ported tests.  To
>      >     reiterate what
>      >      >         stated in my
>      >      >          >      >     reply, this
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         is not going to be a
>     concern for
>      >      >         TomEE and others
>      >      >          >      >     because I'm
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         agreeing to get the TCK
>     off of the
>      >      >         jakarta.*
>      >      >          >     packages
>      >      >          >      >     for EE
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         10 - just not to wait
>     for the
>      >     outcome
>      >      >         of what
>      >      >          >     will be
>      >      >          >      >     the new
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         convention because that
>     would
>      >     set us
>      >      >         back too far.
>      >      >          >      >     Given the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         number of positive
>     replies to
>      >     that, I
>      >      >         already have a
>      >      >          >      >     pull in
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         place to do so and have
>     notified
>      >      >         several other spec
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         participants who have
>     new TCK
>      >     tests
>      >      >         that they
>      >      >          >     are writing
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         currently in progress
>     so that
>      >     can use
>      >      >         a different
>      >      >          >      >     package.  I
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         appreciate the quick
>     replies from
>      >      >         everyone -
>      >      >          >     this is a case
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         where being able to
>     take decisive
>      >      >         action right away
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         definitely lessens the
>     impact.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         From:        "Romain
>     Manni-Bucau"
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Just want to remind we
>     don't speak
>      >      >         about some
>      >      >          >     issue with
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         implementations - typically
>      >     TomEE has
>      >      >         a "toggle" to
>      >      >          >      >     solve it
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         - but with the spec which
>      >     forbids it
>      >      >         so it means
>      >      >          >     that using
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.tck is forbidden by
>      >     jakarta
>      >      >         as quote
>      >      >          >     earlier, in
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         particular cause most
>     of TCK
>      >     are ran
>      >      >         in servlet
>      >      >          >     context by
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         the TCK runner and it
>     had been
>      >     like
>      >      >         that since
>      >      >          >     years, I
>      >      >          >      >     just
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         think javax -> jakarta
>     (and more
>      >      >         likely sun ->
>      >      >          >     eclipse)
>      >      >          >      >     move
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         missed that.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         So no choice to rename, it
>      >     seems the
>      >      >         options are:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         * jakarta.ee- from my
>     point of
>      >     view
>      >      >         it comes from
>      >      >          >      >     nowhere for
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         anyone not deeply
>     involved in
>      >     Jakarta,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         * tck.jakarta - not
>     very neat
>      >     but works
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         *
>     org.eclipse.jakarta.tck - I
>      >     still
>      >      >         think it is
>      >      >          >     the most
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         consistent with what
>     Jakarta
>      >     is as of
>      >      >         today.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Agree existing spec (using
>      >     org.jboss
>      >      >         for ex)
>      >      >          >     don't need to
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         move now, the only
>     requirement
>      >     is to
>      >      >         not use
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.something for
>     anything
>      >     which
>      >      >         is actually
>      >      >          >      >     deployed as
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         an application.
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Nathan,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Which Jakarta spec tcks
>      >     already used this
>      >      >          >     package starting
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         with jakarta.*? Is this
>     change new
>      >      >         for Jakarta
>      >      >          >     EE 10 or
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         already released in the
>     earlier
>      >      >         Jakarta EE
>      >      >          >     release? If
>      >      >          >      >     it was
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         released before, then
>     it is not an
>      >      >         issue. If it
>      >      >          >     is a new
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         change, will this be a
>     concern for
>      >      >         TomEE as
>      >      >          >     mentioned
>      >      >          >      >     by David?
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         When TomEE (might be
>     others)
>      >     comes to
>      >      >         run the
>      >      >          >     tck, it might
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         cause issues. David, any
>      >     thoughts on
>      >      >         this? If it
>      >      >          >     is the
>      >      >          >      >     case,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         it might be ok to choose a
>      >     different
>      >      >         package such as
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         ee.jakarta or
>     jakartatck etc.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         By the way, the new naming
>      >     convention
>      >      >         is for new
>      >      >          >     specs. The
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         existing specs should
>     adopt it
>      >     in the
>      >      >         subsequent
>      >      >          >     release EE
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         11 once we have reached
>      >     agreement on
>      >      >         which name
>      >      >          >     to use.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Thanks
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Emily
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at
>     3:41 PM
>      >     Nathan
>      >      >         Rauh
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         <nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>
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>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>
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>     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      >      >          >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         This discussion is
>     concerning
>      >     because
>      >      >         one of the
>      >      >          >     Jakarta
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         specs that I'm working
>     on and
>      >     which
>      >      >         is already
>      >      >          >     cutting
>      >      >          >      >     it too
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         close making the EE 10
>     release is
>      >      >         unfortunately
>      >      >          >     using
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.* package names
>     for TCK
>      >      >         classes, and now
>      >      >          >     it's going
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         to need to change, further
>      >      >         compromising our
>      >      >          >     chances of
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         getting into EE 10.
>     The chosen
>      >      >         package name
>      >      >          >     doesn't matter
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         to me, nor does whether
>     or not
>      >     there is
>      >      >          >     standardization
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         across TCKs.  What does
>     matter (to
>      >      >         this spec at
>      >      >          >     least) is
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         getting a decision made
>      >     quickly, but
>      >      >         I don't
>      >      >          >     foresee a
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         decision on this being
>     reached
>      >      >         anytime soon
>      >      >          >     given the many
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         widely varying opinions
>     that will
>      >      >         likely eventually
>      >      >          >      >     become a
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         vote, itself with a
>     sufficient
>      >     period
>      >      >         of time
>      >      >          >     for votes
>      >      >          >      >     to be
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         collected and all of that.
>      >     It's just
>      >      >         way too
>      >      >          >     late into
>      >      >          >      >     EE 10
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         for adding a new
>     requirement like
>      >      >         this, and I'm
>      >      >          >     going to
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         suggest that it apply
>     to EE 11
>      >      >         instead, with the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         understanding that for
>     EE 10,
>      >     we'll
>      >      >         at least get
>      >      >          >     off of the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.* package name
>     in the
>      >     tck to
>      >      >         something
>      >      >          >     else and
>      >      >          >      >     then
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         align with whatever you
>     decide
>      >     in EE
>      >      >         11. Unless
>      >      >          >     anyone
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         objects, that's what
>     I'll plan
>      >     on doing.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         From:        "Werner Keil"
>      >      >         <werner.keil@xxxxxxx <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>>
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>       [EXTERNAL] Re:
>      >      >          >     [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK
>     packages
>      >      >         (was:package
>      >      >          >     prefixes for
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>     still
>      >     seems to
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>      >     Januar 2022
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Betreff: Re:
>      >     [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >      >          >     Standardizing new TCK
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         packages (was:package
>     prefixes for
>      >      >         Jakarta Batch
>      >      >          >      >     TCK-related
>      >      >          >      >      >>>       
>       classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         I would like to point
>     out that
>      >     we do
>      >      >         not use
>      >      >          >     "org" anywhere
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         with Jakarta at the
>     moment. We
>      >     do not
>      >      >         own the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.orgdomain name, for
>      >     example.
>      >      >         We do own
>      >      >          >     and use the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         jakarta.eedomain name.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         From my perspective,
>     starting
>      >     to use
>      >      >         the .org
>      >      >          >     TLD with
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Jakarta for this
>     purpose might be
>      >      >         confusing.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         On 2022-01-06 9:09
>     a.m., Scott
>      >     Kurz
>      >      >         wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         +1  fororg.jakartatck.*
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         (though OK with the
>     other options)
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Thanks David for making
>     that an
>      >      >         option and
>      >      >          >     thanks all for
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         giving this some
>     thought.     Even
>      >      >         though not
>      >      >          >     too many
>      >      >          >      >     people
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         look at a TCK relatively
>      >     speaking it
>      >      >         seemed
>      >      >          >     better to
>      >      >          >      >     be good
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Java citizens and use a
>      >     package of a
>      >      >         domain name
>      >      >          >     we own.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >
>      >        ------------------------------------------------------
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Scott Kurz
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         WebSphere / Open
>     Liberty Batch and
>      >      >         Developer
>      >      >          >     Experience
>      >      >          >      >      >>> skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         "Emily Jiang via
>      >     jakartaee-platform-dev"
>      >      >          >     ---01/06/2022
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         05:16:41 AM---Thank you
>     David
>      >     for the
>      >      >         detailed
>      >      >          >      >     explanation! I
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         now understood the
>     concern. The
>      >      >         following package na
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         From: "Emily Jiang via
>      >      >         jakartaee-platform-dev"
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>     detailed
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>         -- tck.jakarta.<spec>.
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>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         I think I finally see what
>      >     Romain is
>      >      >         talking about.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         I know in TomEE we have
>     several
>      >      >         optimizations to
>      >      >          >     try and
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         speed up deployment and
>     bytecode
>      >      >         scanning.  We'll
>      >      >          >      >     filter out
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         jars that match
>     patterns like
>      >      >         log4j-*, openejb-*,
>      >      >          >      >     jakarta-*.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>          Those jars are removed
>     from
>      >     the list
>      >      >         of jars
>      >      >          >     that could
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         potentially contain
>      >     applications and
>      >      >         they'll
>      >      >          >     never be
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         searched for
>     annotations like
>      >      >         @Singleton, etc.
>      >      >          >      >     Additionally,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         as everyone uses somewhat
>      >     expensive
>      >      >         bytecode readers
>      >      >          >      >     like ASM
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         to parse bytecode and
>     scan for
>      >      >         annotations, we have
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         additional filters to skip
>      >      >         non-application
>      >      >          >     classes, such as
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         javax.* and jakarta.*.
>     There are
>      >      >         classloader
>      >      >          >     related
>      >      >          >      >     actions
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         as well.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         Here's an example we hit in
>      >      >         EclipseLink when we
>      >      >          >     tried
>      >      >          >      >     to use
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         the Eclipse Transformer
>     to do the
>      >      >          >     javax-to-jakarta change.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         -
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>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >
>      >      >
>      >
>     https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java#L345
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         We were transforming
>      >     EclipseLink 2.x
>      >      >         which did
>      >      >          >     not have the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>       
>       `!name.startsWith("jakarta.")`
>      >     string
>      >      >         check, so
>      >      >          >     jakarta.*
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         classes were getting
>     loaded as
>      >      >         application
>      >      >          >     classes and
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         causing most tests to
>     fail.
>      >     We hit
>      >      >         this in a
>      >      >          >     few different
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         libraries and ended up
>     having to
>      >      >         patch source to
>      >      >          >     ensure
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         "jakarta." and
>     "Ljakarta/" were
>      >      >         factored into
>      >      >          >     any code that
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         checked for "javax." as a
>      >     package or
>      >      >         "Ljavax/"
>      >      >          >     as bytecode.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         If we started putting
>     the TCK
>      >     tests
>      >      >         in "jakarta.tck"
>      >      >          >      >     and that
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         also included the test
>      >     applications
>      >      >         we need to
>      >      >          >     deploy and
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         verify, that definitely
>     will cause
>      >      >         issues in a
>      >      >          >     handful of
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         component
>     implementations we
>      >     all use.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         The only way to handle it
>      >     would be to
>      >      >         update
>      >      >          >     code like this
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         to have an exclusion that
>      >     explicitly
>      >      >         checks for
>      >      >          >      >     "jakarta.tck"
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         and ensures it is
>     treated as
>      >     user-created
>      >      >          >     application code
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         and bypasses any "javax" or
>      >     "jakarta"
>      >      >         checks.
>      >      >          >     That's going
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         to mean there'll be
>     code in our
>      >      >         implementations
>      >      >          >     that says
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         essentially  "if your
>     code starts
>      >      >         with jakarta.tck,
>      >      >          >      >     make sure
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         it's treated correctly,
>      >     otherwise do
>      >      >         something
>      >      >          >     else."  That
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         could be a slippery slope.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         It's probably better if we
>      >     don't put
>      >      >         ourselves in a
>      >      >          >      >     situation
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         were we have to write
>     code to
>      >      >         specially handle TCK
>      >      >          >      >     applications.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         It occurs to be in writing
>      >     this that
>      >      >         literally any
>      >      >          >      >     characters
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         before "jakarta" solves
>     this
>      >     issue.
>      >      >         If we want
>      >      >          >     a short
>      >      >          >      >     name,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         we do own the
>     jakarta.eedomain
>      >     and can
>      >      >          >     potentially use
>      >      >          >      >     either
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         of these:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         - ee.jakarta.*
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         - ee.jakarta.tck.*
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         I also just looked and
>      >     jakartatck.orgwas
>      >      >          >     available, so I
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         purchased that and we could
>      >      >         potentially use:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         - org.jakartatck.*
>      >      >          >      >      >>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         If we wanted to go that
>     direction,
>      >      >         I'd just transfer
>      >      >          >      >      >>>         jakartatck.orgto the
>     Working Group
>      >      >         like I did when
>      >      >          >      >     purchased
>      >      >          >      >      >>> jakarta.ee
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$>
>      >   
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
>      >      >
>      >     
>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>
>      >      >          >     <http://jakarta.ee
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>
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>      >      >          >       <http://jakarta.ee
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>>
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>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>
>      >      >         <http://jakarta.ee
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>>>.
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>      >      >          >      >      >>> http://twitter.com/dblevins
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>
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>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>>
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>      >      >          >       <http://twitter.com/dblevins
>     <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
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>       <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>> <http://twitter.com/dblevins <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
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>      >      >         <http://www.tomitribe.com
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         On Jan 5, 2022, at
>     1:19 PM,
>      >     Thomas
>      >      >         Watson
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
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>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Just to make sure I
>      >     understand you.
>      >      >         Are you
>      >      >          >      >     suggesting that
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         an application class
>     loader
>      >     for the
>      >      >         old Java EE
>      >      >          >     (e.g. Java
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         EE 8) must not allow
>     not allow an
>      >      >         application
>      >      >          >     (WAR) to
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         package and load any
>     classes from
>      >      >         javax.* which
>      >      >          >     they
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         contain.  For example, no
>      >      >         application server should
>      >      >          >      >     allow an
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         application to contain and
>      >      >         successfully load
>      >      >          >      >     javax.foo.Bar?
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>          And now that we are
>     in the
>      >      >         jakarta.* namespace no
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         application server should
>      >     allow an
>      >      >         application
>      >      >          >     to package
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         and load a jakarta.foo.Bar
>      >     class?
>      >      >         What about javax
>      >      >          >      >     now that
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         we are jakarta, can
>      >     applications in
>      >      >         Jakarta 9 now
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         successfully include
>     and load
>      >      >         javax.foo.Bar?
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         I have to say this is
>     news to me,
>      >      >         and I do not
>      >      >          >     believe
>      >      >          >      >     that
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         is the way most
>     application
>      >     servers
>      >      >         behave.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Tom
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         ----- Original message
>     -----
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
>      >      >          >     <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
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>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
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>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >           <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >   
>       <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Cc:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
>      >      >         [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Standardizing new TCK
>      >     packages (was:
>      >      >         package
>      >      >          >     prefixes for
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
>      >     classes?
>      >      >          >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022
>     2:09 PM
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
>     20:37,
>      >     Thomas
>      >      >         Watson
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         If you want one
>     example, servlet
>      >      >         10.7.2 (for
>      >      >          >     v4.0 to take
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         one example) explicit
>     it and for
>      >      >         good technical
>      >      >          >      >     reasons so
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         it is a "must stay"
>     but it
>      >     implies
>      >      >         TCK shouldn't
>      >      >          >      >     reuse the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         same package by
>     design and as it
>      >      >         always had
>      >      >          >     been so
>      >      >          >      >     it let
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         you org.eclipse for
>     projects
>      >      >         without an historical
>      >      >          >      >     package
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         (guess it is more
>     than fine
>      >     to keep the
>      >      >          >     existing one when
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         it is there).
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         In no way do I see how
>     that
>      >     section
>      >      >         of the v4.0
>      >      >          >      >     servlet spec
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         says anything about
>      >     jakarta.*.  That
>      >      >         package didn't
>      >      >          >      >     exist in
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         v4.  For v5 we have:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >
>      >      >
>      >
>     https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html#web-application-class-loader
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>      >      >
>      >      >          >
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>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >
>      >      >
>      >     
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >
>      >      >          >
>      >      >
>      >     
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>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Here I think you are
>     referring to
>      >      >         this sentence:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         "Servlet containers
>     that are not
>      >      >         part of a
>      >      >          >     Jakarta EE
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         product should not
>     allow the
>      >      >         application to
>      >      >          >     override
>      >      >          >      >     Jakarta
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         EE platform classes,
>     such as
>      >     those
>      >      >         in the jakarta.*
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         namespaces, that
>     Jakarta EE
>      >     does not
>      >      >         allow to be
>      >      >          >      >     modified."
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         TCK classes are not
>      >     considered platform
>      >      >          >     classes, they are
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         TCK classes.  I don't
>     see how
>      >     this
>      >      >         sentence
>      >      >          >     applies to a
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         possible jakarta.tck
>     package.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         This is true for part
>     of the
>      >     tck but
>      >      >         most of
>      >      >          >     them are
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         *applications*
>     (servlet for a
>      >      >         trivial example,
>      >      >          >      >     everything in
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         war/ear for another one).
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Just stated what we
>     have and do -
>      >      >         and to be
>      >      >          >     honest it is
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         normal otherwise tck
>     wouldnt
>      >     validate
>      >      >          >     compliance using a
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         custom packaging ;).
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Tom
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         ----- Original message
>     -----
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>      >      >          >     <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
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>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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>      >      >         [jakartaee-platform-dev]
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Standardizing new TCK
>      >     packages (was:
>      >      >         package
>      >      >          >     prefixes for
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
>      >     classes?
>      >      >          >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022
>     10:09 AM
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
>     16:37,
>      >     Emily
>      >      >         Jiang
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>       
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>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         @Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>          I must have
>     misunderstood your
>      >      >         question. Let
>      >      >          >     me try again
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         to clarify this:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         1. what's the plan
>     about the spec
>      >      >         saying jakarta.*
>      >      >          >      >     should be
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         excluded from the
>     applications
>      >      >         (which means it
>      >      >          >     cant be
>      >      >          >      >     used
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         by TCK)?
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         I disagree with what
>     you said
>      >      >         jakarta.* can't
>      >      >          >     be used
>      >      >          >      >     by TCK
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>          because TCKs are part of
>      >     specs and
>      >      >         do not fall
>      >      >          >     into the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         application category.
>      >     Besides, can
>      >      >         you point
>      >      >          >     out which
>      >      >          >      >     spec
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         has this sentence? We
>     need to
>      >      >         discuss this
>      >      >          >     further to see
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         whether it is correct
>     to say
>      >     so if
>      >      >         it does have
>      >      >          >     this
>      >      >          >      >     sentence.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Ok so the consequence
>     of you
>      >      >         statement is that
>      >      >          >     there is no
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         application code in
>     TCK, no CDI
>      >      >         bean, no EJB, no
>      >      >          >      >     servlet, no
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         JSP etc... (which is
>     not true
>      >      >         right?) so TCK
>      >      >          >     are mainly a)
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         application code and
>     b) test code
>      >      >         (sometimes c)
>      >      >          >     runner
>      >      >          >      >     code
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         but let's integrate it
>     in b)).
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         If you want one
>     example, servlet
>      >      >         10.7.2 (for
>      >      >          >     v4.0 to take
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         one example) explicit
>     it and for
>      >      >         good technical
>      >      >          >     reasons so
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         it is a "must stay" but it
>      >     implies TCK
>      >      >          >     shouldn't reuse the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         same package by design
>     and as it
>      >      >         always had
>      >      >          >     been so it let
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         you org.eclipse for
>     projects
>      >     without an
>      >      >          >     historical package
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         (guess it is more than
>     fine
>      >     to keep the
>      >      >          >     existing one
>      >      >          >      >     when it
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         is there).
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         2. What about user
>     confusion?
>      >     "not
>      >      >         care" :(?
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Not sure what user
>     confusion
>      >     do you
>      >      >         mean? TCKs
>      >      >          >     are pretty
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         much for implementers.
>      >     Besides, I am
>      >      >         not sure what
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         confusions you are
>     referring
>      >     to. I
>      >      >         think the
>      >      >          >     namespace
>      >      >          >      >     with
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         jakarta.tck is clearer
>     as it
>      >     means
>      >      >         the tck classes
>      >      >          >      >     from Jakarta.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         As soon as you get the
>      >     dependency in
>      >      >         a dependency -
>      >      >          >      >     you are
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         an user by definition
>     - then
>      >     you can
>      >      >         get issues
>      >      >          >     if you use
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         jakarta.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         It is also the case
>     for end
>      >     user -
>      >      >         who never
>      >      >          >     use tck
>      >      >          >      >     package
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         - on maven if they are
>     released
>      >      >         under jakarta
>      >      >          >     groupId
>      >      >          >      >     so as
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         recommended in java
>     ecosystem the
>      >      >         groupId should be
>      >      >          >      >     aligned
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         on the package base
>     name so
>      >     likely use
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       org.eclipse.jakarta.spec or
>      >     alike.
>      >      >         The risk is
>      >      >          >     users start
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         importing tck instead
>     of the
>      >     spec and
>      >      >          >     application will
>      >      >          >      >     work
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         cause the spec comes
>     transitively
>      >      >         but it is not
>      >      >          >     what
>      >      >          >      >     jakarta
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         wants, right? Making
>     it clean is
>      >      >         trivial and
>      >      >          >      >     consistent with
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         everything so I think
>     it is worth
>      >      >         not trying to
>      >      >          >     be more
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         clever than we need to.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         HTH
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at
>     3:02 PM
>      >      >         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         @Emily: i know TCK are
>     part
>      >     of the
>      >      >         spec as well
>      >      >          >     as the
>      >      >          >      >     API,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         javadoc and textual doc
>      >     (pdf/word)
>      >      >         but you didn't
>      >      >          >      >     solve the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         2 issues I mentionned
>     (not even
>      >      >         speaking of the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         inconsistency between the
>      >     status and
>      >      >         naming
>      >      >          >     which is
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         something very few
>     will care
>      >     except
>      >      >         eclipse itself
>      >      >          >      >     maybe) so
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         not sure how the fact
>     it is
>      >      >         delivered as a whole
>      >      >          >      >     solves the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         fact it is forbidden
>     by spec
>      >     to use
>      >      >         this package.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog |
>     Old Blog |
>      >      >         Github |
>      >      >          >     LinkedIn | Book
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
>     15:26,
>      >     Emily
>      >      >         Jiang
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >       <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         TCKs are part of spec, as
>      >     spec includes
>      >      >          >     api/spec doc /tck.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Thanks
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Emily
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at
>     1:48 PM
>      >      >         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         @Emily: what's the
>     plan about the
>      >      >         spec saying
>      >      >          >     jakarta.*
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         should be excluded
>     from the
>      >      >         applications (which
>      >      >          >     means it
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         cant be used by TCK)? What
>      >     about user
>      >      >          >     confusion? "not
>      >      >          >      >     care" :(?
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog |
>     Old Blog |
>      >      >         Github |
>      >      >          >     LinkedIn | Book
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
>     14:31,
>      >     Emily
>      >      >         Jiang via
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         jakartaee-platform-dev
>      >      >          >      >     <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >   
>       <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >           <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >   
>       <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         We discussed the
>     various package
>      >      >         names including
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         org.eclipse.*. The
>     feedback
>      >     is that
>      >      >         TCKs should
>      >      >          >     align with
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         the corresponding
>     spec. It is
>      >     much
>      >      >         nicer to
>      >      >          >     start with
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         jakarta.tck to denote
>     the TCK
>      >      >         classes and also
>      >      >          >     easily to
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         filter out with
>     pattern matching
>      >      >         when searching
>      >      >          >     for api
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         classes. Besides it is
>     much
>      >     shorter than
>      >      >          >      >     org.eclipse.jakarta.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         In Jakarta Batch Tcks, you
>      >     will use
>      >      >          >     jakarta.tck.batch
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         instead of
>      >      >         org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.batch.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Thanks
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Emily
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at
>     8:05 AM
>      >      >         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         As written on jbatch
>     list I
>      >     think it
>      >      >         is normal
>      >      >          >     and safe to
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         use
>     org.eclipse.<something like
>      >      >         jakarta.spec or
>      >      >          >     just spec>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         since jakarta specs
>     are eclipse
>      >      >         projects. It
>      >      >          >     also has the
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         advantage to not use
>     jakarta.*
>      >      >         package which is
>      >      >          >     treated
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         specifically by all
>      >     implementations
>      >      >         (by spec
>      >      >          >     actually ;))
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         and would need some
>     specific
>      >     rules
>      >      >         in the impl
>      >      >          >     is used for
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         tcks too which is not the
>      >     target of
>      >      >         the spec at
>      >      >          >     all.
>      >      >          >      >     Lastly
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         it makes it obvious it
>     is not
>      >     part
>      >      >         of the API
>      >      >          >     for users so
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         it is very good too.
>     For me, it
>      >      >         looks like a
>      >      >          >      >     consistent and
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         good compromise for
>     everyone
>      >      >         (foundation, users,
>      >      >          >      >     vendors and
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         spec contributors/legal).
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog |
>     Old Blog |
>      >      >         Github |
>      >      >          >     LinkedIn | Book
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
>     08:23,
>      >      >         Jean-Louis Monteiro
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       <jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >       <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Sounds like a good
>      >     improvement to me
>      >      >         as well
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Le mar. 4 janv. 2022 à
>     22:00,
>      >     David
>      >      >         Blevins
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
>      >      >         <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
>      >      >          >      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
>      >      >          >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>      >      >         <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         écrit :
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         On Jan 4, 2022, at
>     12:23 PM,
>      >     Emily
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>     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         I had this matter
>     discussed
>      >     in today's
>      >      >          >     platform call.
>      >      >          >      >     Below
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         is the suggestion for
>     the naming
>      >      >         convention:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>               • [Emily]
>     Package naming
>      >      >         convention for
>      >      >          >     TCKs?
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>                       •
>     Packages for TCK
>      >      >         starts with
>      >      >          >     various
>      >      >          >      >     names,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         e.g. org.ibm, org.jboss,
>      >     org.eclipse,
>      >      >          >      >     jakarta.[spec].tck etc,
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>                       •
>     Should they be
>      >      >         standardized?
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>               • Two things
>     need naming
>      >      >         standard:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>                       • Packages
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>                               •
>      >     Suggested
>      >      >         Naming Standard:
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         jakarta.tck.[spec]
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>                             
>       • New
>      >     classes in
>      >      >          >     existing TCKs
>      >      >          >      >     should
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         use the new name standard
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>                       • Artifacts
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>                             
>       • Same
>      >     group
>      >      >         id as the spec
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>                             
>       • Artifact
>      >      >         ids [foo]-tck
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>               • Existing TCKs may
>      >     change if
>      >      >         they like
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         New TCKs must use the new
>      >     name standard
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         The above is the general
>      >     consensus
>      >      >         from the
>      >      >          >     meeting.
>      >      >          >      >     I will
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         start a new thread
>      >     conversation for
>      >      >         others to
>      >      >          >     comment on
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>>         the naming convention.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Others can chime in, but I
>      >     like the
>      >      >         above
>      >      >          >     recommendation.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>          Using
>     jakarta.tck.[spec] is
>      >     just as
>      >      >         good as
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>       
>       org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.[spec],
>      >      >         perhaps better.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         Also agree that it
>     should be
>      >      >         standard across the
>      >      >          >      >     various TCKs.
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>         -David
>      >      >          >      >      >>>>
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