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From: Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 20:54:09 +0100
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On 1/10/22 8:45 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:

@Lukas: as Emily pointed out we are not talking about implementation -we mentionned implementations have solutions for that in general but itis not a requirement of TCK nor the platform - and it is referenced inthe platform itself. Reusing the same namespace is wrong as explainedbefore and is the best promise of a not functional setup. I can agreeJSON* specs are quite particular cause rather simpler than others andfor this one it will likely work but it is not the most common case andI don't think aving a particular case not showing a good example of theplatform best practise would be good to promote - but means it is ok tonot change for next release but will be a must after if you are afraidof delays.

to be clear - I'm not against requiring it for the next release. I'magainst requiring it now for EE 10 given where we are, especially forspecs which are near completion, such as JSON Processing, or generallyspecs in waves 0-1 (maybe 2). Those in later waves do still have somereasonable amount of time to adapt to this change.


thanks,
--lukas


Romain Manni-Bucau

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Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:23, Thomas Watson <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :


    I agree this is a rather lengthy thread, things get lost and I would
    not like to rehash this conversation again.  I'll only point you to
    this portion of the thread that I encourage you to read:

    https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg03064.html
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    Tom
    P.S.  I know we want more to happen outside of the calls, but I
    think stuff like this would have been much better tracked in a
    github issue than continuing in a mailing list thread like this.

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        Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [External] : Re:
        Standardizing new TCK packages (was:package prefixes for Jakarta
        Batch TCK-related classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
        Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 1:12 PM
        On 1/10/22 7:08 PM, Emily Jiang via jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
         > The reasoning was mentioned in this mailing list thread as
        part of
         > conversation.

        I'm sorry but I got lost in the thread at the point where it was
        said
        that _some_ implementations are having hard times optimizing
        themselves.
        If that is the problem, then, IMHO, implementations should be
        fixed as
        they are usually those the best knowing the real "why" for what
        are they
        doing. I believe that what they are doing is not correct in 100%
        cases
        and  it is possibly just a matter of time till someone files an
        issue
        for some of those corner-cases for which the "optimization" is
        wrong.

        Or are we going to just exclude/update failing tests instead of
        fixing
        the root causes of the problems going forward?

        thanks,
        --lukas


         > Thanks
         > Emily
         >
         > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:48 PM Lukas Jungmann
         > <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
        <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
         >
         >     On 1/10/22 6:31 PM, Emily Jiang via
        jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
         >      > Hi Lukas,
         >      >
         >      > In your scenario, since you are using the forbidden
        package naming
         >      > convention, I think it should be updated for Jakarta
        EE 10.
         >
         >     Who and when has forbidden it?
         >
         >     thanks,
         >     --lukas
         >
         >      > Before the voting is over, you can choose one of the
        options in
         >     the list
         >      > and go from there.
         >      > Thanks
         >      > Emily
         >      >
         >      > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:21 PM Lukas Jungmann
         >      > <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
        <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
         >      >
         >      >     On 1/10/22 5:54 PM, Thomas Watson wrote:
         >      >      > +1
         >      >      > So far we have only agreed that for Jakarta 10 the
         >     jakarta.* package
         >      >      > name must NOT be used.  Ideally we would have a
        vote so
         >     that any new
         >      >      > TCKs for Jakarta 10 would be able to use an
        agreed package
         >     name,
         >      >     but I
         >      >      > don't think we should delay anything for
        Jakarta 10 outside of
         >      >     not allow
         >      >      > jakarta.* be used for TCK packages.
         >      >
         >      >     just to make sure I understand this - in jsonp-tck
        which has been
         >      >     extracted from the platform repo to jsonp repo,
        tests were
         >     moved to
         >      >     `jakarta.jsonp.tck` package and the TCK as such is
        considered
         >     almost
         >      >     complete. We have one pending PR there + final
        review pending
         >     before
         >      >     turning the draft spec PR into the regular one.
        Are we really
         >     required
         >      >     to refactor everything at this stage again?
         >      >
         >      >     --lukas
         >      >
         >      >      >
         >      >      > Tom
         >      >      >
         >      >      >     ----- Original message -----
         >      >      >     From: "Emily Jiang via jakartaee-platform-dev"
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         >      >      >     Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
        [jakartaee-platform-dev]
         >      >     Standardizing new
         >      >      >     TCK packages (was:package prefixes for
        Jakarta Batch
         >     TCK-related
         >      >      >     classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
         >      >      >     Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 10:22 AM
         >      >      >     Hi Scott,
         >      >      >     My responses are inline below.
         >      >      >
         >      >      >     Thanks
         >      >      >
         >      >      >     Emily
         >      >      >
         >      >      >     On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 4:14 PM Scott Marlow
         >      >     <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>
        <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
         >      >      >     <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
         >      >      >
         >      >      >         On 1/6/22 4:51 PM, David Blevins wrote:
         >      >      >>         It sounds like we're all coming to
        agreement and
         >     we're
         >      >     down to
         >      >      >>         just picking the name.  To Nathan's
        point, being
         >     quick
         >      >     is key.
         >      >      >>
         >      >      >>         Here's a proposal on how to wrap this up:
         >      >      >>
         >      >      >>          - We give till Monday 8am Pacific for
        people to
         >     suggest a
         >      >      >>         package prefix that does not start
        with "jakarta"
         >      >      >>
         >      >      >>          - On Monday we start a 72-hour rank
        choice vote
         >     here on the
         >      >      >>         mailing list.
         >      >      >>
         >      >      >>          - If the chosen option needs to be
        eliminated
         >     for any
         >      >     reason,
         >      >      >>         we go to the second choice, etc.  No
        new vote
         >     necessary
         >      >     (yay,
         >      >      >>         ranked choice).
         >      >      >>
         >      >      >>          - The chosen prefix would be a
        recommendation for
         >      >     Jakarta EE
         >      >      >>         10 and a requirement for Jakarta EE
        11.  TCK
         >     classes from
         >      >      >>         Jakarta EE 9.x and before are exempt,
        though we
         >     may chose to
         >      >      >>         have a separate discussion to change
        them at some
         >     point.
         >      >      >
         >      >      >         Will the vote be for recommending that
        new TCK
         >     tests to
         >      >     be added
         >      >      >         to EE 10 will use the package prefix?
         >      >      >
         >      >      >       I think if possible, use the agreed
        package prefix.
         >     If not,
         >      >     leave
         >      >      >     it for now. I think the minimum is not to
        use jakarta.*
         >      >     prefix as it
         >      >      >     might cause issues.
         >      >      >
         >      >      >         Will the vote be for requiring that new
        TCK tests
         >     to be
         >      >     added to
         >      >      >         EE 11 will use the package prefix?
         >      >      >
         >      >      >     Jakarta EE 11 new TCKs must use the new
        namespace.
         >      >      >
         >      >      >         Scott
         >      >      >
         >      >      >>         Unless there are other proposals, I'll
        kick that
         >     vote off on
         >      >      >>         Monday.
         >      >      >>
         >      >      >>
         >      >      >>         -David
         >      >      >>
         >      >      >>>         On Jan 6, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Nathan Rauh
         >      >      >>>         <nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Emily,
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         To answer your question, it's an
        existing TCK
         >     that we are
         >      >      >>>         porting from the platform into the the
         >     particular spec
         >      >      >>>         project where we are also adding new
        test cases to
         >      >     cover the
         >      >      >>>         function that is new in EE 10.  The
        developer
         >     working
         >      >     on the
         >      >      >>>         TCK port overachieved and had renamed the
         >     packages from
         >      >      >>>         whatever they were previously to
        jakarta.*, and
         >     then others
         >      >      >>>         of us when adding new tests used the same
         >     package to match
         >      >      >>>         the ported tests.  To reiterate what
        stated in my
         >      >     reply, this
         >      >      >>>         is not going to be a concern for
        TomEE and others
         >      >     because I'm
         >      >      >>>         agreeing to get the TCK off of the
        jakarta.*
         >     packages
         >      >     for EE
         >      >      >>>         10 - just not to wait for the outcome
        of what
         >     will be
         >      >     the new
         >      >      >>>         convention because that would set us
        back too far.
         >      >     Given the
         >      >      >>>         number of positive replies to that, I
        already have a
         >      >     pull in
         >      >      >>>         place to do so and have notified
        several other spec
         >      >      >>>         participants who have new TCK tests
        that they
         >     are writing
         >      >      >>>         currently in progress so that can use
        a different
         >      >     package.  I
         >      >      >>>         appreciate the quick replies from
        everyone -
         >     this is a case
         >      >      >>>         where being able to take decisive
        action right away
         >      >      >>>         definitely lessens the impact.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         From:        "Romain Manni-Bucau"
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         >      >      >>>         Date:        01/06/2022 12:18 PM
         >      >      >>>         Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re:
         >     [jakartaee-platform-dev]
         >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK packages
        (was:package
         >     prefixes for
         >      >      >>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
         >     classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
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         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Just want to remind we don't speak
        about some
         >     issue with
         >      >      >>>         implementations - typically TomEE has
        a "toggle" to
         >      >     solve it
         >      >      >>>         - but with the spec which forbids it
        so it means
         >     that using
         >      >      >>>         jakarta.tck is forbidden by jakarta
        as quote
         >     earlier, in
         >      >      >>>         particular cause most of TCK are ran
        in servlet
         >     context by
         >      >      >>>         the TCK runner and it had been like
        that since
         >     years, I
         >      >     just
         >      >      >>>         think javax -> jakarta (and more
        likely sun ->
         >     eclipse)
         >      >     move
         >      >      >>>         missed that.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         So no choice to rename, it seems the
        options are:
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         * jakarta.ee- from my point of view
        it comes from
         >      >     nowhere for
         >      >      >>>         anyone not deeply involved in Jakarta,
         >      >      >>>         * tck.jakarta - not very neat but works
         >      >      >>>         * org.eclipse.jakarta.tck - I still
        think it is
         >     the most
         >      >      >>>         consistent with what Jakarta is as of
        today.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Agree existing spec (using org.jboss
        for ex)
         >     don't need to
         >      >      >>>         move now, the only requirement is to
        not use
         >      >      >>>         jakarta.something for anything which
        is actually
         >      >     deployed as
         >      >      >>>         an application.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
         >      >      >>>         @rmannibucau|  Blog | Old Blog | Github |
         >     LinkedIn | Book
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Le jeu. 6 janv. 2022 à 18:50, Emily
        Jiang via
         >      >      >>>         jakartaee-platform-dev
         >      >     <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
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         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
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         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>> a écrit :
         >      >      >>>         Nathan,
         >      >      >>>         Which Jakarta spec tcks already used this
         >     package starting
         >      >      >>>         with jakarta.*? Is this change new
        for Jakarta
         >     EE 10 or
         >      >      >>>         already released in the earlier
        Jakarta EE
         >     release? If
         >      >     it was
         >      >      >>>         released before, then it is not an
        issue. If it
         >     is a new
         >      >      >>>         change, will this be a concern for
        TomEE as
         >     mentioned
         >      >     by David?
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         When TomEE (might be others) comes to
        run the
         >     tck, it might
         >      >      >>>         cause issues. David, any thoughts on
        this? If it
         >     is the
         >      >     case,
         >      >      >>>         it might be ok to choose a different
        package such as
         >      >      >>>         ee.jakarta or jakartatck etc.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         By the way, the new naming convention
        is for new
         >     specs. The
         >      >      >>>         existing specs should adopt it in the
        subsequent
         >     release EE
         >      >      >>>         11 once we have reached agreement on
        which name
         >     to use.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Thanks
         >      >      >>>         Emily
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 3:41 PM Nathan
        Rauh
         >      >      >>>         <nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
         >      >      >>>         This discussion is concerning because
        one of the
         >     Jakarta
         >      >      >>>         specs that I'm working on and which
        is already
         >     cutting
         >      >     it too
         >      >      >>>         close making the EE 10 release is
        unfortunately
         >     using
         >      >      >>>         jakarta.* package names for TCK
        classes, and now
         >     it's going
         >      >      >>>         to need to change, further
        compromising our
         >     chances of
         >      >      >>>         getting into EE 10.  The chosen
        package name
         >     doesn't matter
         >      >      >>>         to me, nor does whether or not there is
         >     standardization
         >      >      >>>         across TCKs.  What does matter (to
        this spec at
         >     least) is
         >      >      >>>         getting a decision made quickly, but
        I don't
         >     foresee a
         >      >      >>>         decision on this being reached
        anytime soon
         >     given the many
         >      >      >>>         widely varying opinions that will
        likely eventually
         >      >     become a
         >      >      >>>         vote, itself with a sufficient period
        of time
         >     for votes
         >      >     to be
         >      >      >>>         collected and all of that.  It's just
        way too
         >     late into
         >      >     EE 10
         >      >      >>>         for adding a new requirement like
        this, and I'm
         >     going to
         >      >      >>>         suggest that it apply to EE 11
        instead, with the
         >      >      >>>         understanding that for EE 10, we'll
        at least get
         >     off of the
         >      >      >>>         jakarta.* package name in the tck to
        something
         >     else and
         >      >     then
         >      >      >>>         align with whatever you decide in EE
        11. Unless
         >     anyone
         >      >      >>>         objects, that's what I'll plan on doing.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         From:        "Werner Keil"
        <werner.keil@xxxxxxx <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx
        <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx> <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx
        <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>         <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx
        <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>>
        <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx <mailto:werner.keil@xxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>         To:        "jakartaee-platform developer
         >     discussions"
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         >      >      >>>         Date:        01/06/2022 09:20 AM
         >      >      >>>         Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re:
         >     [jakartaee-platform-dev]
         >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK packages
        (was:package
         >     prefixes for
         >      >      >>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related
         >     classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
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         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         At least org.glassfish still seems to
        be used.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Werner
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Gesendet von Mailfür Windows
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Von: Mike Milinkovich
         >      >      >>>         Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2022
        15:24
         >      >      >>>         An:
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         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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         >      >      >>>         Betreff: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev]
         >     Standardizing new TCK
         >      >      >>>         packages (was:package prefixes for
        Jakarta Batch
         >      >     TCK-related
         >      >      >>>         classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         I would like to point out that we do
        not use
         >     "org" anywhere
         >      >      >>>         with Jakarta at the moment. We do not
        own the
         >      >      >>>         jakarta.orgdomain name, for example.
        We do own
         >     and use the
         >      >      >>>         jakarta.eedomain name.
         >      >      >>>         From my perspective, starting to use
        the .org
         >     TLD with
         >      >      >>>         Jakarta for this purpose might be
        confusing.
         >      >      >>>         On 2022-01-06 9:09 a.m., Scott Kurz
        wrote:
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         +1  fororg.jakartatck.*
         >      >      >>>         (though OK with the other options)
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Thanks David for making that an
        option and
         >     thanks all for
         >      >      >>>         giving this some thought.     Even
        though not
         >     too many
         >      >     people
         >      >      >>>         look at a TCK relatively speaking it
        seemed
         >     better to
         >      >     be good
         >      >      >>>         Java citizens and use a package of a
        domain name
         >     we own.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >       ------------------------------------------------------
         >      >      >>>         Scott Kurz
         >      >      >>>         WebSphere / Open Liberty Batch and
        Developer
         >     Experience
         >      >      >>> skurz@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx>
        <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
         >      >     <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>
         >       --------------------------------------------------------
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         "Emily Jiang via jakartaee-platform-dev"
         >     ---01/06/2022
         >      >      >>>         05:16:41 AM---Thank you David for the
        detailed
         >      >     explanation! I
         >      >      >>>         now understood the concern. The
        following package na
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         From: "Emily Jiang via
        jakartaee-platform-dev"
         >      >      >>>         <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>         Date: 01/06/2022 05:16 AM
         >      >      >>>         Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
        [jakartaee-platform-dev]
         >      >      >>>         Standardizing new TCK packages (was:
        package
         >     prefixes for
         >      >      >>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related classes?
         >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
         >      >      >>>         Sent by: "jakartaee-platform-dev"

> > >>> <jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx

        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>
         >       <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>         <Mail Attachment.png>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Thank you David for the detailed
        explanation! I now
         >      >      >>>         understood the concern.
         >      >      >>>         The following package name might work:
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         -- tck.jakarta.<spec>.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         In all, we could choose one from the list
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         org.jakartatck.*
         >      >      >>>         ee.jakarta.tck.*
         >      >      >>>         tck.jakarta.*
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Thanks
         >      >      >>>         Emily
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:09 AM David
        Blevins
         >      >      >>>         <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
         >      >      >>>         I think I finally see what Romain is
        talking about.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         I know in TomEE we have several
        optimizations to
         >     try and
         >      >      >>>         speed up deployment and bytecode
        scanning.  We'll
         >      >     filter out
         >      >      >>>         jars that match patterns like
        log4j-*, openejb-*,
         >      >     jakarta-*.
         >      >      >>>          Those jars are removed from the list
        of jars
         >     that could
         >      >      >>>         potentially contain applications and
        they'll
         >     never be
         >      >      >>>         searched for annotations like
        @Singleton, etc.
         >      >     Additionally,
         >      >      >>>         as everyone uses somewhat expensive
        bytecode readers
         >      >     like ASM
         >      >      >>>         to parse bytecode and scan for
        annotations, we have
         >      >      >>>         additional filters to skip
        non-application
         >     classes, such as
         >      >      >>>         javax.* and jakarta.*.  There are
        classloader
         >     related
         >      >     actions
         >      >      >>>         as well.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         Here's an example we hit in
        EclipseLink when we
         >     tried
         >      >     to use
         >      >      >>>         the Eclipse Transformer to do the
         >     javax-to-jakarta change.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         -
         >      >      >>>
         >      >
         >
        https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java#L345
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><https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java#L345

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         >      >

         >      >      >>>
         >      >

> <https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java#L345 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java*L345__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYYrzDo7M$> <https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java#L345 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java*L345__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYYrzDo7M$>> <https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java#L345 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java*L345__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYYrzDo7M$> <https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java#L345 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/eclipselink/blame/master/jpa/org.eclipse.persistence.jpa/src/main/java/org/eclipse/persistence/internal/jpa/deployment/JavaSECMPInitializer.java*L345__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYYrzDo7M$>>>>

         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         We were transforming EclipseLink 2.x
        which did
         >     not have the
         >      >      >>>         `!name.startsWith("jakarta.")` string
        check, so
         >     jakarta.*
         >      >      >>>         classes were getting loaded as
        application
         >     classes and
         >      >      >>>         causing most tests to fail.  We hit
        this in a
         >     few different
         >      >      >>>         libraries and ended up having to
        patch source to
         >     ensure
         >      >      >>>         "jakarta." and "Ljakarta/" were
        factored into
         >     any code that
         >      >      >>>         checked for "javax." as a package or
        "Ljavax/"
         >     as bytecode.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         If we started putting the TCK tests
        in "jakarta.tck"
         >      >     and that
         >      >      >>>         also included the test applications
        we need to
         >     deploy and
         >      >      >>>         verify, that definitely will cause
        issues in a
         >     handful of
         >      >      >>>         component implementations we all use.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         The only way to handle it would be to
        update
         >     code like this
         >      >      >>>         to have an exclusion that explicitly
        checks for
         >      >     "jakarta.tck"
         >      >      >>>         and ensures it is treated as user-created
         >     application code
         >      >      >>>         and bypasses any "javax" or "jakarta"
        checks.
         >     That's going
         >      >      >>>         to mean there'll be code in our
        implementations
         >     that says
         >      >      >>>         essentially  "if your code starts
        with jakarta.tck,
         >      >     make sure
         >      >      >>>         it's treated correctly, otherwise do
        something
         >     else."  That
         >      >      >>>         could be a slippery slope.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         It's probably better if we don't put
        ourselves in a
         >      >     situation
         >      >      >>>         were we have to write code to
        specially handle TCK
         >      >     applications.
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         It occurs to be in writing this that
        literally any
         >      >     characters

> > >>> before "jakarta" solves this issue.If we want

         >     a short
         >      >     name,
         >      >      >>>         we do own the jakarta.eedomain and can
         >     potentially use
         >      >     either
         >      >      >>>         of these:
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         - ee.jakarta.*
         >      >      >>>         - ee.jakarta.tck.*
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         I also just looked and jakartatck.orgwas
         >     available, so I
         >      >      >>>         purchased that and we could
        potentially use:
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         - org.jakartatck.*
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         If we wanted to go that direction,
        I'd just transfer
         >      >      >>>         jakartatck.orgto the Working Group
        like I did when
         >      >     purchased
         >      >      >>> jakarta.ee
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         >      >
         >       <http://jakarta.ee
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         >      >      >>>
         >      >
         >       <http://jakarta.ee
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         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>
         >      >      >>>         --
         >      >      >>>         David Blevins
         >      >      >>> http://twitter.com/dblevins
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         >      >      >>>
         >      >
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         >      >      >>> http://www.tomitribe.com
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         >      >      >>>
         >      >
         >       <http://www.tomitribe.com
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         >      >      >>>>         On Jan 5, 2022, at 1:19 PM, Thomas
        Watson
         >      >      >>>>         <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
         >      >      >>>>

> > >>>> Just to make sure I understand you.Are you

         >      >     suggesting that
         >      >      >>>>         an application class loader for the
        old Java EE
         >     (e.g. Java
         >      >      >>>>         EE 8) must not allow not allow an
        application
         >     (WAR) to
         >      >      >>>>         package and load any classes from
        javax.* which
         >     they
         >      >      >>>>         contain.  For example, no
        application server should
         >      >     allow an
         >      >      >>>>         application to contain and
        successfully load
         >      >     javax.foo.Bar?
         >      >      >>>>          And now that we are in the
        jakarta.* namespace no
         >      >      >>>>         application server should allow an
        application
         >     to package

> > >>>> and load a jakarta.foo.Bar class?What about javax

         >      >     now that
         >      >      >>>>         we are jakarta, can applications in
        Jakarta 9 now
         >      >      >>>>         successfully include and load
        javax.foo.Bar?
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         I have to say this is news to me,
        and I do not
         >     believe
         >      >     that
         >      >      >>>>         is the way most application servers
        behave.
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Tom
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         ----- Original message -----
         >      >      >>>>         From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
         >     <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Sent by: "jakartaee-platform-dev"

> > >>>> <jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx

        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         To: "jakartaee-platform developer
        discussions"
         >      >      >>>>         <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>

> > >>>> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx

        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Cc:
         >      >      >>>>         Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
        [jakartaee-platform-dev]
         >      >      >>>>         Standardizing new TCK packages (was:
        package
         >     prefixes for
         >      >      >>>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related classes?
         >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
         >      >      >>>>         Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022 2:09 PM
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 20:37, Thomas
        Watson
         >      >      >>>>         <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> a écrit :
         >      >      >>>>>         If you want one example, servlet
        10.7.2 (for
         >     v4.0 to take
         >      >      >>>>>         one example) explicit it and for
        good technical
         >      >     reasons so
         >      >      >>>>>         it is a "must stay" but it implies
        TCK shouldn't
         >      >     reuse the
         >      >      >>>>>         same package by design and as it
        always had
         >     been so
         >      >     it let
         >      >      >>>>>         you org.eclipse for projects
        without an historical
         >      >     package
         >      >      >>>>>         (guess it is more than fine to keep the
         >     existing one when
         >      >      >>>>>         it is there).
         >      >      >>>>         In no way do I see how that section
        of the v4.0
         >      >     servlet spec
         >      >      >>>>         says anything about jakarta.*.  That
        package didn't
         >      >     exist in
         >      >      >>>>         v4.  For v5 we have:
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >
         >
        https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html#web-application-class-loader
        <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html*web-application-class-loader__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYZCsJ2So$>

><https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html#web-application-class-loader

        <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html*web-application-class-loader__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYZCsJ2So$>>
         >      >

         >      >      >>>>
         >      >

> <https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html#web-application-class-loader <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html*web-application-class-loader__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYZCsJ2So$> <https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html#web-application-class-loader <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html*web-application-class-loader__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYZCsJ2So$>> <https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html#web-application-class-loader <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html*web-application-class-loader__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYZCsJ2So$> <https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html#web-application-class-loader <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://jakarta.ee/specifications/servlet/5.0/jakarta-servlet-spec-5.0.html*web-application-class-loader__;Iw!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYZCsJ2So$>>>>

         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Here I think you are referring to
        this sentence:
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         "Servlet containers that are not
        part of a
         >     Jakarta EE
         >      >      >>>>         product should not allow the
        application to
         >     override
         >      >     Jakarta
         >      >      >>>>         EE platform classes, such as those
        in the jakarta.*
         >      >      >>>>         namespaces, that Jakarta EE does not
        allow to be
         >      >     modified."
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         TCK classes are not considered platform
         >     classes, they are
         >      >      >>>>         TCK classes.  I don't see how this
        sentence
         >     applies to a
         >      >      >>>>         possible jakarta.tck package.
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         This is true for part of the tck but
        most of
         >     them are
         >      >      >>>>         *applications* (servlet for a
        trivial example,
         >      >     everything in
         >      >      >>>>         war/ear for another one).
         >      >      >>>>         Just stated what we have and do -
        and to be
         >     honest it is
         >      >      >>>>         normal otherwise tck wouldnt validate
         >     compliance using a
         >      >      >>>>         custom packaging ;).
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Tom
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         ----- Original message -----
         >      >      >>>>         From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
         >     <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Sent by: "jakartaee-platform-dev"

> > >>>> <jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx

        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >       <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         To: "Emily Jiang"
        <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Cc: "jakartaee-platform developer
        discussions"
         >      >      >>>>         <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>

> > >>>> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx

        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
        [jakartaee-platform-dev]
         >      >      >>>>         Standardizing new TCK packages (was:
        package
         >     prefixes for
         >      >      >>>>         Jakarta Batch TCK-related classes?
         >      >     org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
         >      >      >>>>         Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022 10:09 AM
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 16:37, Emily
        Jiang
         >      >      >>>>         <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> a écrit :
         >      >      >>>>         @Romain Manni-Bucau
         >      >      >>>>          I must have misunderstood your
        question. Let
         >     me try again
         >      >      >>>>         to clarify this:
         >      >      >>>>         1. what's the plan about the spec
        saying jakarta.*
         >      >     should be
         >      >      >>>>         excluded from the applications
        (which means it
         >     cant be
         >      >     used
         >      >      >>>>         by TCK)?
         >      >      >>>>         I disagree with what you said
        jakarta.* can't
         >     be used
         >      >     by TCK
         >      >      >>>>          because TCKs are part of specs and
        do not fall
         >     into the
         >      >      >>>>         application category. Besides, can
        you point
         >     out which
         >      >     spec
         >      >      >>>>         has this sentence? We need to
        discuss this
         >     further to see
         >      >      >>>>         whether it is correct to say so if
        it does have
         >     this
         >      >     sentence.
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Ok so the consequence of you
        statement is that
         >     there is no
         >      >      >>>>         application code in TCK, no CDI
        bean, no EJB, no
         >      >     servlet, no
         >      >      >>>>         JSP etc... (which is not true
        right?) so TCK
         >     are mainly a)
         >      >      >>>>         application code and b) test code
        (sometimes c)
         >     runner
         >      >     code
         >      >      >>>>         but let's integrate it in b)).
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         If you want one example, servlet
        10.7.2 (for
         >     v4.0 to take
         >      >      >>>>         one example) explicit it and for
        good technical
         >     reasons so
         >      >      >>>>         it is a "must stay" but it implies TCK
         >     shouldn't reuse the
         >      >      >>>>         same package by design and as it
        always had
         >     been so it let
         >      >      >>>>         you org.eclipse for projects without an
         >     historical package
         >      >      >>>>         (guess it is more than fine to keep the
         >     existing one
         >      >     when it
         >      >      >>>>         is there).
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         2. What about user confusion? "not
        care" :(?
         >      >      >>>>         Not sure what user confusion do you
        mean? TCKs
         >     are pretty
         >      >      >>>>         much for implementers. Besides, I am
        not sure what
         >      >      >>>>         confusions you are referring to. I
        think the
         >     namespace
         >      >     with
         >      >      >>>>         jakarta.tck is clearer as it means
        the tck classes
         >      >     from Jakarta.
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         As soon as you get the dependency in
        a dependency -
         >      >     you are
         >      >      >>>>         an user by definition - then you can
        get issues
         >     if you use
         >      >      >>>>         jakarta.
         >      >      >>>>         It is also the case for end user -
        who never
         >     use tck
         >      >     package
         >      >      >>>>         - on maven if they are released
        under jakarta
         >     groupId
         >      >     so as
         >      >      >>>>         recommended in java ecosystem the
        groupId should be
         >      >     aligned
         >      >      >>>>         on the package base name so likely use
         >      >      >>>>         org.eclipse.jakarta.spec or alike.
        The risk is
         >     users start
         >      >      >>>>         importing tck instead of the spec and
         >     application will
         >      >     work
         >      >      >>>>         cause the spec comes transitively
        but it is not
         >     what
         >      >     jakarta
         >      >      >>>>         wants, right? Making it clean is
        trivial and
         >      >     consistent with
         >      >      >>>>         everything so I think it is worth
        not trying to
         >     be more
         >      >      >>>>         clever than we need to.
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         HTH
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:02 PM
        Romain Manni-Bucau
         >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
         >      >      >>>>         @Emily: i know TCK are part of the
        spec as well
         >     as the
         >      >     API,
         >      >      >>>>         javadoc and textual doc (pdf/word)
        but you didn't
         >      >     solve the
         >      >      >>>>         2 issues I mentionned (not even
        speaking of the
         >      >      >>>>         inconsistency between the status and
        naming
         >     which is
         >      >      >>>>         something very few will care except
        eclipse itself
         >      >     maybe) so
         >      >      >>>>         not sure how the fact it is
        delivered as a whole
         >      >     solves the
         >      >      >>>>         fact it is forbidden by spec to use
        this package.
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
         >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog |
        Github |
         >     LinkedIn | Book
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 15:26, Emily
        Jiang
         >      >      >>>>         <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> a écrit :
         >      >      >>>>         Romain,
         >      >      >>>>         TCKs are part of spec, as spec includes
         >     api/spec doc /tck.
         >      >      >>>>         Thanks
         >      >      >>>>         Emily
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 1:48 PM
        Romain Manni-Bucau
         >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
         >      >      >>>>         @Emily: what's the plan about the
        spec saying
         >     jakarta.*
         >      >      >>>>         should be excluded from the
        applications (which
         >     means it
         >      >      >>>>         cant be used by TCK)? What about user
         >     confusion? "not
         >      >     care" :(?
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
         >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog |
        Github |
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         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 14:31, Emily
        Jiang via
         >      >      >>>>         jakartaee-platform-dev
         >      >     <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>

> > >>>> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx

        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>> a écrit :
         >      >      >>>>         We discussed the various package
        names including
         >      >      >>>>         org.eclipse.*. The feedback is that
        TCKs should
         >     align with
         >      >      >>>>         the corresponding spec. It is much
        nicer to
         >     start with
         >      >      >>>>         jakarta.tck to denote the TCK
        classes and also
         >     easily to
         >      >      >>>>         filter out with pattern matching
        when searching
         >     for api
         >      >      >>>>         classes. Besides it is much shorter than
         >      >     org.eclipse.jakarta.
         >      >      >>>>         In Jakarta Batch Tcks, you will use
         >     jakarta.tck.batch
         >      >      >>>>         instead of
        org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.batch.
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Thanks
         >      >      >>>>         Emily
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:05 AM
        Romain Manni-Bucau
         >      >      >>>>         <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
         >     <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
         >      >      >>>>         As written on jbatch list I think it
        is normal
         >     and safe to
         >      >      >>>>         use org.eclipse.<something like
        jakarta.spec or
         >     just spec>
         >      >      >>>>         since jakarta specs are eclipse
        projects. It
         >     also has the
         >      >      >>>>         advantage to not use jakarta.*
        package which is
         >     treated
         >      >      >>>>         specifically by all implementations
        (by spec
         >     actually ;))
         >      >      >>>>         and would need some specific rules
        in the impl
         >     is used for
         >      >      >>>>         tcks too which is not the target of
        the spec at
         >     all.
         >      >     Lastly
         >      >      >>>>         it makes it obvious it is not part
        of the API
         >     for users so
         >      >      >>>>         it is very good too. For me, it
        looks like a
         >      >     consistent and
         >      >      >>>>         good compromise for everyone
        (foundation, users,
         >      >     vendors and
         >      >      >>>>         spec contributors/legal).
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Romain Manni-Bucau
         >      >      >>>>         @rmannibucau |  Blog | Old Blog |
        Github |
         >     LinkedIn | Book
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 08:23,
        Jean-Louis Monteiro
         >      >      >>>>         <jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
         >      >      >>>>         <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> a écrit :
         >      >      >>>>         Sounds like a good improvement to me
        as well
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Le mar. 4 janv. 2022 à 22:00, David
        Blevins
         >      >      >>>>         <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> a
         >      >      >>>>         écrit :
         >      >      >>>>>         On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Emily
        Jiang via
         >      >      >>>>>         jakartaee-platform-dev
         >      >     <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>

> > >>>>> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx

        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
         >      >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
         >     <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
         >      >      >>>>>
         >      >      >>>>>         I had this matter discussed in today's
         >     platform call.
         >      >     Below
         >      >      >>>>>         is the suggestion for the naming
        convention:
         >      >      >>>>>               • [Emily] Package naming
        convention for
         >     TCKs?
         >      >      >>>>>                       • Packages for TCK
        starts with
         >     various
         >      >     names,
         >      >      >>>>>         e.g. org.ibm, org.jboss, org.eclipse,
         >      >     jakarta.[spec].tck etc,
         >      >      >>>>>                       • Should they be
        standardized?
         >      >      >>>>>
         >      >      >>>>>               • Two things need naming
        standard:
         >      >      >>>>>                       • Packages
         >      >      >>>>>                               • Suggested
        Naming Standard:
         >      >      >>>>>         jakarta.tck.[spec]
         >      >      >>>>>                               • New classes in
         >     existing TCKs
         >      >     should
         >      >      >>>>>         use the new name standard
         >      >      >>>>>                       • Artifacts
         >      >      >>>>>                               • Same group
        id as the spec
         >      >      >>>>>                               • Artifact
        ids [foo]-tck
         >      >      >>>>>               • Existing TCKs may change if
        they like
         >      >      >>>>>         New TCKs must use the new name standard
         >      >      >>>>>
         >      >      >>>>>         The above is the general consensus
        from the
         >     meeting.
         >      >     I will
         >      >      >>>>>         start a new thread conversation for
        others to
         >     comment on
         >      >      >>>>>         the naming convention.
         >      >      >>>>         Others can chime in, but I like the
        above
         >     recommendation.
         >      >      >>>>          Using jakarta.tck.[spec] is just as
        good as
         >      >      >>>>         org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.[spec],
        perhaps better.
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         Also agree that it should be
        standard across the
         >      >     various TCKs.
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>
         >      >      >>>>         -David
         >      >      >>>>

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