Now it is also a miss in javax->jakarta move and nobody complained until
now so maybe all vendors have workarounds and it is not that critical
but I would fix it, worse case in a new release of TCK without
re-releasing the platform (= make the release then catch up but ensure
it is done somehow).
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Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:54, Lukas Jungmann <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>> a écrit :
On 1/10/22 8:45 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> @Lukas: as Emily pointed out we are not talking about
implementation -
> we mentionned implementations have solutions for that in general
but it
> is not a requirement of TCK nor the platform - and it is
referenced in
> the platform itself. Reusing the same namespace is wrong as
explained
> before and is the best promise of a not functional setup. I can
agree
> JSON* specs are quite particular cause rather simpler than others
and
> for this one it will likely work but it is not the most common
case and
> I don't think aving a particular case not showing a good example
of the
> platform best practise would be good to promote - but means it is
ok to
> not change for next release but will be a must after if you are
afraid
> of delays.
to be clear - I'm not against requiring it for the next release. I'm
against requiring it now for EE 10 given where we are, especially for
specs which are near completion, such as JSON Processing, or generally
specs in waves 0-1 (maybe 2). Those in later waves do still have some
reasonable amount of time to adapt to this change.
thanks,
--lukas
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
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> Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:23, Thomas Watson <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>> a écrit :
>
> I agree this is a rather lengthy thread, things get lost and
I would
> not like to rehash this conversation again. I'll only point
you to
> this portion of the thread that I encourage you to read:
>
>
https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg03064.html
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>
> Tom
> P.S. I know we want more to happen outside of the calls, but I
> think stuff like this would have been much better tracked in a
> github issue than continuing in a mailing list thread like this.
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Lukas Jungmann" <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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> Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [External] : Re:
> Standardizing new TCK packages (was:package prefixes for
Jakarta
> Batch TCK-related classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 1:12 PM
> On 1/10/22 7:08 PM, Emily Jiang via
jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
> > The reasoning was mentioned in this mailing list thread as
> part of
> > conversation.
>
> I'm sorry but I got lost in the thread at the point where
it was
> said
> that _some_ implementations are having hard times optimizing
> themselves.
> If that is the problem, then, IMHO, implementations should be
> fixed as
> they are usually those the best knowing the real "why"
for what
> are they
> doing. I believe that what they are doing is not correct
in 100%
> cases
> and it is possibly just a matter of time till someone
files an
> issue
> for some of those corner-cases for which the
"optimization" is
> wrong.
>
> Or are we going to just exclude/update failing tests
instead of
> fixing
> the root causes of the problems going forward?
>
> thanks,
> --lukas
>
>
> > Thanks
> > Emily
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:48 PM Lukas Jungmann
> > <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
> >
> > On 1/10/22 6:31 PM, Emily Jiang via
> jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
> > > Hi Lukas,
> > >
> > > In your scenario, since you are using the forbidden
> package naming
> > > convention, I think it should be updated for
Jakarta
> EE 10.
> >
> > Who and when has forbidden it?
> >
> > thanks,
> > --lukas
> >
> > > Before the voting is over, you can choose one
of the
> options in
> > the list
> > > and go from there.
> > > Thanks
> > > Emily
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:21 PM Lukas Jungmann
> > > <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > >
> > > On 1/10/22 5:54 PM, Thomas Watson wrote:
> > > > +1
> > > > So far we have only agreed that for
Jakarta 10 the
> > jakarta.* package
> > > > name must NOT be used. Ideally we would
have a
> vote so
> > that any new
> > > > TCKs for Jakarta 10 would be able to use an
> agreed package
> > name,
> > > but I
> > > > don't think we should delay anything for
> Jakarta 10 outside of
> > > not allow
> > > > jakarta.* be used for TCK packages.
> > >
> > > just to make sure I understand this - in
jsonp-tck
> which has been
> > > extracted from the platform repo to jsonp repo,
> tests were
> > moved to
> > > `jakarta.jsonp.tck` package and the TCK as
such is
> considered
> > almost
> > > complete. We have one pending PR there + final
> review pending
> > before
> > > turning the draft spec PR into the regular one.
> Are we really
> > required
> > > to refactor everything at this stage again?
> > >
> > > --lukas
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original message -----
> > > > From: "Emily Jiang via
jakartaee-platform-dev"
> > > > <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > Standardizing new
> > > > TCK packages (was:package prefixes for
> Jakarta Batch
> > TCK-related
> > > > classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > > Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 10:22 AM
> > > > Hi Scott,
> > > > My responses are inline below.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Emily
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 4:14 PM
Scott Marlow
> > > <smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:smarlow@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 1/6/22 4:51 PM, David Blevins
wrote:
> > > >> It sounds like we're all coming to
> agreement and
> > we're
> > > down to
> > > >> just picking the name. To Nathan's
> point, being
> > quick
> > > is key.
> > > >>
> > > >> Here's a proposal on how to
wrap this up:
> > > >>
> > > >> - We give till Monday 8am
Pacific for
> people to
> > suggest a
> > > >> package prefix that does not start
> with "jakarta"
> > > >>
> > > >> - On Monday we start a 72-hour
rank
> choice vote
> > here on the
> > > >> mailing list.
> > > >>
> > > >> - If the chosen option needs to be
> eliminated
> > for any
> > > reason,
> > > >> we go to the second choice,
etc. No
> new vote
> > necessary
> > > (yay,
> > > >> ranked choice).
> > > >>
> > > >> - The chosen prefix would be a
> recommendation for
> > > Jakarta EE
> > > >> 10 and a requirement for Jakarta EE
> 11. TCK
> > classes from
> > > >> Jakarta EE 9.x and before are
exempt,
> though we
> > may chose to
> > > >> have a separate discussion to
change
> them at some
> > point.
> > > >
> > > > Will the vote be for
recommending that
> new TCK
> > tests to
> > > be added
> > > > to EE 10 will use the package
prefix?
> > > >
> > > > I think if possible, use the agreed
> package prefix.
> > If not,
> > > leave
> > > > it for now. I think the minimum is
not to
> use jakarta.*
> > > prefix as it
> > > > might cause issues.
> > > >
> > > > Will the vote be for requiring
that new
> TCK tests
> > to be
> > > added to
> > > > EE 11 will use the package prefix?
> > > >
> > > > Jakarta EE 11 new TCKs must use the new
> namespace.
> > > >
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >> Unless there are other
proposals, I'll
> kick that
> > vote off on
> > > >> Monday.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -David
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Jan 6, 2022, at 10:51 AM,
Nathan Rauh
> > > >>> <nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>
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<mailto:nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Emily,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> To answer your question, it's an
> existing TCK
> > that we are
> > > >>> porting from the platform into
the the
> > particular spec
> > > >>> project where we are also
adding new
> test cases to
> > > cover the
> > > >>> function that is new in EE
10. The
> developer
> > working
> > > on the
> > > >>> TCK port overachieved and had
renamed the
> > packages from
> > > >>> whatever they were previously to
> jakarta.*, and
> > then others
> > > >>> of us when adding new tests
used the same
> > package to match
> > > >>> the ported tests. To
reiterate what
> stated in my
> > > reply, this
> > > >>> is not going to be a concern for
> TomEE and others
> > > because I'm
> > > >>> agreeing to get the TCK off of the
> jakarta.*
> > packages
> > > for EE
> > > >>> 10 - just not to wait for the
outcome
> of what
> > will be
> > > the new
> > > >>> convention because that would
set us
> back too far.
> > > Given the
> > > >>> number of positive replies to
that, I
> already have a
> > > pull in
> > > >>> place to do so and have notified
> several other spec
> > > >>> participants who have new TCK
tests
> that they
> > are writing
> > > >>> currently in progress so that
can use
> a different
> > > package. I
> > > >>> appreciate the quick replies from
> everyone -
> > this is a case
> > > >>> where being able to take decisive
> action right away
> > > >>> definitely lessens the impact.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
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> > > >>> Date: 01/06/2022 12:18 PM
> > > >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> > [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > >>> Standardizing new TCK packages
> (was:package
> > prefixes for
> > > >>> Jakarta Batch TCK-related
> > classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > >>> Sent by:
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> > > >>>
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> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Just want to remind we don't speak
> about some
> > issue with
> > > >>> implementations - typically
TomEE has
> a "toggle" to
> > > solve it
> > > >>> - but with the spec which
forbids it
> so it means
> > that using
> > > >>> jakarta.tck is forbidden by
jakarta
> as quote
> > earlier, in
> > > >>> particular cause most of TCK
are ran
> in servlet
> > context by
> > > >>> the TCK runner and it had been
like
> that since
> > years, I
> > > just
> > > >>> think javax -> jakarta (and more
> likely sun ->
> > eclipse)
> > > move
> > > >>> missed that.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So no choice to rename, it
seems the
> options are:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> * jakarta.ee- from my point of
view
> it comes from
> > > nowhere for
> > > >>> anyone not deeply involved in
Jakarta,
> > > >>> * tck.jakarta - not very neat
but works
> > > >>> * org.eclipse.jakarta.tck - I
still
> think it is
> > the most
> > > >>> consistent with what Jakarta
is as of
> today.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Agree existing spec (using
org.jboss
> for ex)
> > don't need to
> > > >>> move now, the only requirement
is to
> not use
> > > >>> jakarta.something for anything
which
> is actually
> > > deployed as
> > > >>> an application.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > >>> @rmannibucau| Blog | Old Blog
| Github |
> > LinkedIn | Book
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Le jeu. 6 janv. 2022 à 18:50,
Emily
> Jiang via
> > > >>> jakartaee-platform-dev
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<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
> > > >>> Nathan,
> > > >>> Which Jakarta spec tcks
already used this
> > package starting
> > > >>> with jakarta.*? Is this change new
> for Jakarta
> > EE 10 or
> > > >>> already released in the earlier
> Jakarta EE
> > release? If
> > > it was
> > > >>> released before, then it is not an
> issue. If it
> > is a new
> > > >>> change, will this be a concern for
> TomEE as
> > mentioned
> > > by David?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> When TomEE (might be others)
comes to
> run the
> > tck, it might
> > > >>> cause issues. David, any
thoughts on
> this? If it
> > is the
> > > case,
> > > >>> it might be ok to choose a
different
> package such as
> > > >>> ee.jakarta or jakartatck etc.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> By the way, the new naming
convention
> is for new
> > specs. The
> > > >>> existing specs should adopt it
in the
> subsequent
> > release EE
> > > >>> 11 once we have reached
agreement on
> which name
> > to use.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>> Emily
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 3:41 PM
Nathan
> Rauh
> > > >>> <nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > > >>> This discussion is concerning
because
> one of the
> > Jakarta
> > > >>> specs that I'm working on and
which
> is already
> > cutting
> > > it too
> > > >>> close making the EE 10 release is
> unfortunately
> > using
> > > >>> jakarta.* package names for TCK
> classes, and now
> > it's going
> > > >>> to need to change, further
> compromising our
> > chances of
> > > >>> getting into EE 10. The chosen
> package name
> > doesn't matter
> > > >>> to me, nor does whether or not
there is
> > standardization
> > > >>> across TCKs. What does matter (to
> this spec at
> > least) is
> > > >>> getting a decision made
quickly, but
> I don't
> > foresee a
> > > >>> decision on this being reached
> anytime soon
> > given the many
> > > >>> widely varying opinions that will
> likely eventually
> > > become a
> > > >>> vote, itself with a sufficient
period
> of time
> > for votes
> > > to be
> > > >>> collected and all of that.
It's just
> way too
> > late into
> > > EE 10
> > > >>> for adding a new requirement like
> this, and I'm
> > going to
> > > >>> suggest that it apply to EE 11
> instead, with the
> > > >>> understanding that for EE 10,
we'll
> at least get
> > off of the
> > > >>> jakarta.* package name in the
tck to
> something
> > else and
> > > then
> > > >>> align with whatever you decide
in EE
> 11. Unless
> > anyone
> > > >>> objects, that's what I'll plan
on doing.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> From: "Werner Keil"
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> > > >>> Date: 01/06/2022 09:20 AM
> > > >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> > [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > >>> Standardizing new TCK packages
> (was:package
> > prefixes for
> > > >>> Jakarta Batch TCK-related
> > classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
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> > > >>>
> > > >>> At least org.glassfish still
seems to
> be used.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Werner
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gesendet von Mailfür Windows
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Von: Mike Milinkovich
> > > >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6.
Januar 2022
> 15:24
> > > >>> An:
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> > > >>> Betreff: Re:
[jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > Standardizing new TCK
> > > >>> packages (was:package prefixes for
> Jakarta Batch
> > > TCK-related
> > > >>> classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I would like to point out that
we do
> not use
> > "org" anywhere
> > > >>> with Jakarta at the moment. We
do not
> own the
> > > >>> jakarta.orgdomain name, for
example.
> We do own
> > and use the
> > > >>> jakarta.eedomain name.
> > > >>> From my perspective, starting
to use
> the .org
> > TLD with
> > > >>> Jakarta for this purpose might be
> confusing.
> > > >>> On 2022-01-06 9:09 a.m., Scott
Kurz
> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> +1 fororg.jakartatck.*
> > > >>> (though OK with the other options)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks David for making that an
> option and
> > thanks all for
> > > >>> giving this some thought. Even
> though not
> > too many
> > > people
> > > >>> look at a TCK relatively
speaking it
> seemed
> > better to
> > > be good
> > > >>> Java citizens and use a
package of a
> domain name
> > we own.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> >
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> > > >>> Scott Kurz
> > > >>> WebSphere / Open Liberty Batch and
> Developer
> > Experience
> > > >>> skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > > >>>
> > > >>> "Emily Jiang via
jakartaee-platform-dev"
> > ---01/06/2022
> > > >>> 05:16:41 AM---Thank you David
for the
> detailed
> > > explanation! I
> > > >>> now understood the concern. The
> following package na
> > > >>>
> > > >>> From: "Emily Jiang via
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> > > >>> Date: 01/06/2022 05:16 AM
> > > >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > >>> Standardizing new TCK packages
(was:
> package
> > prefixes for
> > > >>> Jakarta Batch TCK-related classes?
> > > org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > >>> Sent by: "jakartaee-platform-dev"
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> > > >>> <Mail Attachment.png>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thank you David for the detailed
> explanation! I now
> > > >>> understood the concern.
> > > >>> The following package name
might work:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -- tck.jakarta.<spec>.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In all, we could choose one
from the list
> > > >>>
> > > >>> org.jakartatck.*
> > > >>> ee.jakarta.tck.*
> > > >>> tck.jakarta.*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks
> > > >>> Emily
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 12:09
AM David
> Blevins
> > > >>> <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> I think I finally see what
Romain is
> talking about.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I know in TomEE we have several
> optimizations to
> > try and
> > > >>> speed up deployment and bytecode
> scanning. We'll
> > > filter out
> > > >>> jars that match patterns like
> log4j-*, openejb-*,
> > > jakarta-*.
> > > >>> Those jars are removed from
the list
> of jars
> > that could
> > > >>> potentially contain
applications and
> they'll
> > never be
> > > >>> searched for annotations like
> @Singleton, etc.
> > > Additionally,
> > > >>> as everyone uses somewhat
expensive
> bytecode readers
> > > like ASM
> > > >>> to parse bytecode and scan for
> annotations, we have
> > > >>> additional filters to skip
> non-application
> > classes, such as
> > > >>> javax.* and jakarta.*. There are
> classloader
> > related
> > > actions
> > > >>> as well.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Here's an example we hit in
> EclipseLink when we
> > tried
> > > to use
> > > >>> the Eclipse Transformer to do the
> > javax-to-jakarta change.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
>
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> > > >>>
> > > >>> We were transforming
EclipseLink 2.x
> which did
> > not have the
> > > >>> `!name.startsWith("jakarta.")`
string
> check, so
> > jakarta.*
> > > >>> classes were getting loaded as
> application
> > classes and
> > > >>> causing most tests to fail.
We hit
> this in a
> > few different
> > > >>> libraries and ended up having to
> patch source to
> > ensure
> > > >>> "jakarta." and "Ljakarta/" were
> factored into
> > any code that
> > > >>> checked for "javax." as a
package or
> "Ljavax/"
> > as bytecode.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If we started putting the TCK
tests
> in "jakarta.tck"
> > > and that
> > > >>> also included the test
applications
> we need to
> > deploy and
> > > >>> verify, that definitely will cause
> issues in a
> > handful of
> > > >>> component implementations we
all use.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The only way to handle it
would be to
> update
> > code like this
> > > >>> to have an exclusion that
explicitly
> checks for
> > > "jakarta.tck"
> > > >>> and ensures it is treated as
user-created
> > application code
> > > >>> and bypasses any "javax" or
"jakarta"
> checks.
> > That's going
> > > >>> to mean there'll be code in our
> implementations
> > that says
> > > >>> essentially "if your code starts
> with jakarta.tck,
> > > make sure
> > > >>> it's treated correctly,
otherwise do
> something
> > else." That
> > > >>> could be a slippery slope.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It's probably better if we
don't put
> ourselves in a
> > > situation
> > > >>> were we have to write code to
> specially handle TCK
> > > applications.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It occurs to be in writing
this that
> literally any
> > > characters
> > > >>> before "jakarta" solves this
issue.
> If we want
> > a short
> > > name,
> > > >>> we do own the jakarta.eedomain
and can
> > potentially use
> > > either
> > > >>> of these:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - ee.jakarta.*
> > > >>> - ee.jakarta.tck.*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I also just looked and
jakartatck.orgwas
> > available, so I
> > > >>> purchased that and we could
> potentially use:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - org.jakartatck.*
> > > >>>
> > > >>> If we wanted to go that direction,
> I'd just transfer
> > > >>> jakartatck.orgto the Working Group
> like I did when
> > > purchased
> > > >>> jakarta.ee
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>
> > <http://jakarta.ee
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>
> > >
> > <http://jakarta.ee
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> > <http://jakarta.ee
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>
> <http://jakarta.ee
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>> <http://jakarta.ee <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfyeWjA6k$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>>.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> David Blevins
> > > >>> http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>
>
> > <http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>
> > >
> > <http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>
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>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> > <http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>
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>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>
> <http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>> <http://twitter.com/dblevins <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>>>
> > > >>> http://www.tomitribe.com
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>
>
> > <http://www.tomitribe.com
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>>
> > >
> > <http://www.tomitribe.com
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>
>
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>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>>>
> > > >>>
> > >
> > <http://www.tomitribe.com
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>
>
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>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>>
> <http://www.tomitribe.com
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>> <http://www.tomitribe.com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYrMrR6fk$>>>>>
> > > >>>> On Jan 5, 2022, at 1:19 PM,
Thomas
> Watson
> > > >>>> <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>
> > > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Just to make sure I
understand you.
> Are you
> > > suggesting that
> > > >>>> an application class loader
for the
> old Java EE
> > (e.g. Java
> > > >>>> EE 8) must not allow not allow an
> application
> > (WAR) to
> > > >>>> package and load any classes from
> javax.* which
> > they
> > > >>>> contain. For example, no
> application server should
> > > allow an
> > > >>>> application to contain and
> successfully load
> > > javax.foo.Bar?
> > > >>>> And now that we are in the
> jakarta.* namespace no
> > > >>>> application server should
allow an
> application
> > to package
> > > >>>> and load a jakarta.foo.Bar
class?
> What about javax
> > > now that
> > > >>>> we are jakarta, can
applications in
> Jakarta 9 now
> > > >>>> successfully include and load
> javax.foo.Bar?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I have to say this is news to me,
> and I do not
> > believe
> > > that
> > > >>>> is the way most application
servers
> behave.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Tom
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ----- Original message -----
> > > >>>> From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
> > <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > >>>> To: "jakartaee-platform developer
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> > > >>>> Cc:
> > > >>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > >>>> Standardizing new TCK
packages (was:
> package
> > prefixes for
> > > >>>> Jakarta Batch TCK-related
classes?
> > > org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > >>>> Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022 2:09 PM
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 20:37,
Thomas
> Watson
> > > >>>> <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
> > > >>>>> If you want one example, servlet
> 10.7.2 (for
> > v4.0 to take
> > > >>>>> one example) explicit it and for
> good technical
> > > reasons so
> > > >>>>> it is a "must stay" but it
implies
> TCK shouldn't
> > > reuse the
> > > >>>>> same package by design and as it
> always had
> > been so
> > > it let
> > > >>>>> you org.eclipse for projects
> without an historical
> > > package
> > > >>>>> (guess it is more than fine
to keep the
> > existing one when
> > > >>>>> it is there).
> > > >>>> In no way do I see how that
section
> of the v4.0
> > > servlet spec
> > > >>>> says anything about
jakarta.*. That
> package didn't
> > > exist in
> > > >>>> v4. For v5 we have:
> > > >>>>
> > >
> >
>
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Here I think you are referring to
> this sentence:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "Servlet containers that are not
> part of a
> > Jakarta EE
> > > >>>> product should not allow the
> application to
> > override
> > > Jakarta
> > > >>>> EE platform classes, such as
those
> in the jakarta.*
> > > >>>> namespaces, that Jakarta EE
does not
> allow to be
> > > modified."
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> TCK classes are not
considered platform
> > classes, they are
> > > >>>> TCK classes. I don't see how
this
> sentence
> > applies to a
> > > >>>> possible jakarta.tck package.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This is true for part of the
tck but
> most of
> > them are
> > > >>>> *applications* (servlet for a
> trivial example,
> > > everything in
> > > >>>> war/ear for another one).
> > > >>>> Just stated what we have and do -
> and to be
> > honest it is
> > > >>>> normal otherwise tck wouldnt
validate
> > compliance using a
> > > >>>> custom packaging ;).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Tom
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ----- Original message -----
> > > >>>> From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
> > <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > >>>> To: "Emily Jiang"
> <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > >>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > >>>> Standardizing new TCK
packages (was:
> package
> > prefixes for
> > > >>>> Jakarta Batch TCK-related
classes?
> > > org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > >>>> Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022 10:09 AM
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 16:37,
Emily
> Jiang
> > > >>>> <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
> > > >>>> @Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > >>>> I must have misunderstood your
> question. Let
> > me try again
> > > >>>> to clarify this:
> > > >>>> 1. what's the plan about the spec
> saying jakarta.*
> > > should be
> > > >>>> excluded from the applications
> (which means it
> > cant be
> > > used
> > > >>>> by TCK)?
> > > >>>> I disagree with what you said
> jakarta.* can't
> > be used
> > > by TCK
> > > >>>> because TCKs are part of
specs and
> do not fall
> > into the
> > > >>>> application category.
Besides, can
> you point
> > out which
> > > spec
> > > >>>> has this sentence? We need to
> discuss this
> > further to see
> > > >>>> whether it is correct to say
so if
> it does have
> > this
> > > sentence.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Ok so the consequence of you
> statement is that
> > there is no
> > > >>>> application code in TCK, no CDI
> bean, no EJB, no
> > > servlet, no
> > > >>>> JSP etc... (which is not true
> right?) so TCK
> > are mainly a)
> > > >>>> application code and b) test code
> (sometimes c)
> > runner
> > > code
> > > >>>> but let's integrate it in b)).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> If you want one example, servlet
> 10.7.2 (for
> > v4.0 to take
> > > >>>> one example) explicit it and for
> good technical
> > reasons so
> > > >>>> it is a "must stay" but it
implies TCK
> > shouldn't reuse the
> > > >>>> same package by design and as it
> always had
> > been so it let
> > > >>>> you org.eclipse for projects
without an
> > historical package
> > > >>>> (guess it is more than fine
to keep the
> > existing one
> > > when it
> > > >>>> is there).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 2. What about user confusion?
"not
> care" :(?
> > > >>>> Not sure what user confusion
do you
> mean? TCKs
> > are pretty
> > > >>>> much for implementers.
Besides, I am
> not sure what
> > > >>>> confusions you are referring
to. I
> think the
> > namespace
> > > with
> > > >>>> jakarta.tck is clearer as it
means
> the tck classes
> > > from Jakarta.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> As soon as you get the
dependency in
> a dependency -
> > > you are
> > > >>>> an user by definition - then
you can
> get issues
> > if you use
> > > >>>> jakarta.
> > > >>>> It is also the case for end
user -
> who never
> > use tck
> > > package
> > > >>>> - on maven if they are released
> under jakarta
> > groupId
> > > so as
> > > >>>> recommended in java ecosystem the
> groupId should be
> > > aligned
> > > >>>> on the package base name so
likely use
> > > >>>> org.eclipse.jakarta.spec or
alike.
> The risk is
> > users start
> > > >>>> importing tck instead of the
spec and
> > application will
> > > work
> > > >>>> cause the spec comes transitively
> but it is not
> > what
> > > jakarta
> > > >>>> wants, right? Making it clean is
> trivial and
> > > consistent with
> > > >>>> everything so I think it is worth
> not trying to
> > be more
> > > >>>> clever than we need to.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> HTH
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 3:02 PM
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > >>>> <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>> @Emily: i know TCK are part
of the
> spec as well
> > as the
> > > API,
> > > >>>> javadoc and textual doc
(pdf/word)
> but you didn't
> > > solve the
> > > >>>> 2 issues I mentionned (not even
> speaking of the
> > > >>>> inconsistency between the
status and
> naming
> > which is
> > > >>>> something very few will care
except
> eclipse itself
> > > maybe) so
> > > >>>> not sure how the fact it is
> delivered as a whole
> > > solves the
> > > >>>> fact it is forbidden by spec
to use
> this package.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > >>>> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog |
> Github |
> > LinkedIn | Book
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 15:26,
Emily
> Jiang
> > > >>>> <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
> > > >>>> Romain,
> > > >>>> TCKs are part of spec, as
spec includes
> > api/spec doc /tck.
> > > >>>> Thanks
> > > >>>> Emily
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 1:48 PM
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > >>>> <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>> @Emily: what's the plan about the
> spec saying
> > jakarta.*
> > > >>>> should be excluded from the
> applications (which
> > means it
> > > >>>> cant be used by TCK)? What
about user
> > confusion? "not
> > > care" :(?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > >>>> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog |
> Github |
> > LinkedIn | Book
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 14:31,
Emily
> Jiang via
> > > >>>> jakartaee-platform-dev
> > > <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
> > > >>>> We discussed the various package
> names including
> > > >>>> org.eclipse.*. The feedback
is that
> TCKs should
> > align with
> > > >>>> the corresponding spec. It is
much
> nicer to
> > start with
> > > >>>> jakarta.tck to denote the TCK
> classes and also
> > easily to
> > > >>>> filter out with pattern matching
> when searching
> > for api
> > > >>>> classes. Besides it is much
shorter than
> > > org.eclipse.jakarta.
> > > >>>> In Jakarta Batch Tcks, you
will use
> > jakarta.tck.batch
> > > >>>> instead of
> org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.batch.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks
> > > >>>> Emily
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 8:05 AM
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > >>>> <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > >>>> As written on jbatch list I
think it
> is normal
> > and safe to
> > > >>>> use org.eclipse.<something like
> jakarta.spec or
> > just spec>
> > > >>>> since jakarta specs are eclipse
> projects. It
> > also has the
> > > >>>> advantage to not use jakarta.*
> package which is
> > treated
> > > >>>> specifically by all
implementations
> (by spec
> > actually ;))
> > > >>>> and would need some specific
rules
> in the impl
> > is used for
> > > >>>> tcks too which is not the
target of
> the spec at
> > all.
> > > Lastly
> > > >>>> it makes it obvious it is not
part
> of the API
> > for users so
> > > >>>> it is very good too. For me, it
> looks like a
> > > consistent and
> > > >>>> good compromise for everyone
> (foundation, users,
> > > vendors and
> > > >>>> spec contributors/legal).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > >>>> @rmannibucau | Blog | Old Blog |
> Github |
> > LinkedIn | Book
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à 08:23,
> Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > >>>> <jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:jlmonteiro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> a écrit :
> > > >>>> Sounds like a good
improvement to me
> as well
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Le mar. 4 janv. 2022 à 22:00,
David
> Blevins
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> > > >>>> écrit :
> > > >>>>> On Jan 4, 2022, at 12:23 PM,
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> Jiang via
> > > >>>>> jakartaee-platform-dev
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> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I had this matter discussed
in today's
> > platform call.
> > > Below
> > > >>>>> is the suggestion for the naming
> convention:
> > > >>>>> • [Emily] Package naming
> convention for
> > TCKs?
> > > >>>>> • Packages for TCK
> starts with
> > various
> > > names,
> > > >>>>> e.g. org.ibm, org.jboss,
org.eclipse,
> > > jakarta.[spec].tck etc,
> > > >>>>> • Should they be
> standardized?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> • Two things need naming
> standard:
> > > >>>>> • Packages
> > > >>>>> •
Suggested
> Naming Standard:
> > > >>>>> jakarta.tck.[spec]
> > > >>>>> • New
classes in
> > existing TCKs
> > > should
> > > >>>>> use the new name standard
> > > >>>>> • Artifacts
> > > >>>>> • Same
group
> id as the spec
> > > >>>>> • Artifact
> ids [foo]-tck
> > > >>>>> • Existing TCKs may
change if
> they like
> > > >>>>> New TCKs must use the new
name standard
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> The above is the general
consensus
> from the
> > meeting.
> > > I will
> > > >>>>> start a new thread
conversation for
> others to
> > comment on
> > > >>>>> the naming convention.
> > > >>>> Others can chime in, but I
like the
> above
> > recommendation.
> > > >>>> Using jakarta.tck.[spec] is
just as
> good as
> > > >>>> org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.[spec],
> perhaps better.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Also agree that it should be
> standard across the
> > > various TCKs.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -David
> > > >>>>
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