vendors or tck will be dead binaries so not sure there is a choice.
thanks,
--lukas
> Now it is also a miss in javax->jakarta move and nobody
complained until
> now so maybe all vendors have workarounds and it is not that
critical
> but I would fix it, worse case in a new release of TCK without
> re-releasing the platform (= make the release then catch up but
ensure
> it is done somehow).
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau
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> Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:54, Lukas Jungmann
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> <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>> a écrit :
>
> On 1/10/22 8:45 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
> > @Lukas: as Emily pointed out we are not talking about
> implementation -
> > we mentionned implementations have solutions for that in
general
> but it
> > is not a requirement of TCK nor the platform - and it is
> referenced in
> > the platform itself. Reusing the same namespace is wrong as
> explained
> > before and is the best promise of a not functional setup.
I can
> agree
> > JSON* specs are quite particular cause rather simpler than
others
> and
> > for this one it will likely work but it is not the most common
> case and
> > I don't think aving a particular case not showing a good
example
> of the
> > platform best practise would be good to promote - but
means it is
> ok to
> > not change for next release but will be a must after if
you are
> afraid
> > of delays.
>
> to be clear - I'm not against requiring it for the next
release. I'm
> against requiring it now for EE 10 given where we are,
especially for
> specs which are near completion, such as JSON Processing, or
generally
> specs in waves 0-1 (maybe 2). Those in later waves do still
have some
> reasonable amount of time to adapt to this change.
>
> thanks,
> --lukas
>
>
> >
> > Romain Manni-Bucau
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> >
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> >
> > Le lun. 10 janv. 2022 à 20:23, Thomas Watson
<tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>> a écrit :
> >
> > I agree this is a rather lengthy thread, things get
lost and
> I would
> > not like to rehash this conversation again. I'll only
point
> you to
> > this portion of the thread that I encourage you to read:
> >
> >
>
https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg03064.html
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> >
> > Tom
> > P.S. I know we want more to happen outside of the
calls, but I
> > think stuff like this would have been much better
tracked in a
> > github issue than continuing in a mailing list thread
like this.
> >
> > ----- Original message -----
> > From: "Lukas Jungmann" <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
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> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [External] : Re:
> > Standardizing new TCK packages (was:package
prefixes for
> Jakarta
> > Batch TCK-related classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 1:12 PM
> > On 1/10/22 7:08 PM, Emily Jiang via
> jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
> > > The reasoning was mentioned in this mailing
list thread as
> > part of
> > > conversation.
> >
> > I'm sorry but I got lost in the thread at the
point where
> it was
> > said
> > that _some_ implementations are having hard times
optimizing
> > themselves.
> > If that is the problem, then, IMHO,
implementations should be
> > fixed as
> > they are usually those the best knowing the real "why"
> for what
> > are they
> > doing. I believe that what they are doing is not
correct
> in 100%
> > cases
> > and it is possibly just a matter of time till someone
> files an
> > issue
> > for some of those corner-cases for which the
> "optimization" is
> > wrong.
> >
> > Or are we going to just exclude/update failing tests
> instead of
> > fixing
> > the root causes of the problems going forward?
> >
> > thanks,
> > --lukas
> >
> >
> > > Thanks
> > > Emily
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:48 PM Lukas Jungmann
> > > <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 1/10/22 6:31 PM, Emily Jiang via
> > jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
> > > > Hi Lukas,
> > > >
> > > > In your scenario, since you are using
the forbidden
> > package naming
> > > > convention, I think it should be updated for
> Jakarta
> > EE 10.
> > >
> > > Who and when has forbidden it?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > --lukas
> > >
> > > > Before the voting is over, you can
choose one
> of the
> > options in
> > > the list
> > > > and go from there.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Emily
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 5:21 PM Lukas
Jungmann
> > > > <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On 1/10/22 5:54 PM, Thomas Watson wrote:
> > > > > +1
> > > > > So far we have only agreed that for
> Jakarta 10 the
> > > jakarta.* package
> > > > > name must NOT be used. Ideally
we would
> have a
> > vote so
> > > that any new
> > > > > TCKs for Jakarta 10 would be able
to use an
> > agreed package
> > > name,
> > > > but I
> > > > > don't think we should delay
anything for
> > Jakarta 10 outside of
> > > > not allow
> > > > > jakarta.* be used for TCK packages.
> > > >
> > > > just to make sure I understand this - in
> jsonp-tck
> > which has been
> > > > extracted from the platform repo to
jsonp repo,
> > tests were
> > > moved to
> > > > `jakarta.jsonp.tck` package and the
TCK as
> such is
> > considered
> > > almost
> > > > complete. We have one pending PR
there + final
> > review pending
> > > before
> > > > turning the draft spec PR into the
regular one.
> > Are we really
> > > required
> > > > to refactor everything at this stage
again?
> > > >
> > > > --lukas
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original message -----
> > > > > From: "Emily Jiang via
> jakartaee-platform-dev"
> > > > >
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> > > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> > [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > > Standardizing new
> > > > > TCK packages (was:package
prefixes for
> > Jakarta Batch
> > > TCK-related
> > > > > classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > > > Date: Mon, Jan 10, 2022 10:22 AM
> > > > > Hi Scott,
> > > > > My responses are inline below.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Emily
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 4:14 PM
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> > > > >
> > > > > On 1/6/22 4:51 PM, David
Blevins
> wrote:
> > > > >> It sounds like we're all
coming to
> > agreement and
> > > we're
> > > > down to
> > > > >> just picking the name.
To Nathan's
> > point, being
> > > quick
> > > > is key.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Here's a proposal on how to
> wrap this up:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> - We give till Monday 8am
> Pacific for
> > people to
> > > suggest a
> > > > >> package prefix that does
not start
> > with "jakarta"
> > > > >>
> > > > >> - On Monday we start a
72-hour
> rank
> > choice vote
> > > here on the
> > > > >> mailing list.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> - If the chosen option
needs to be
> > eliminated
> > > for any
> > > > reason,
> > > > >> we go to the second choice,
> etc. No
> > new vote
> > > necessary
> > > > (yay,
> > > > >> ranked choice).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> - The chosen prefix
would be a
> > recommendation for
> > > > Jakarta EE
> > > > >> 10 and a requirement for
Jakarta EE
> > 11. TCK
> > > classes from
> > > > >> Jakarta EE 9.x and
before are
> exempt,
> > though we
> > > may chose to
> > > > >> have a separate
discussion to
> change
> > them at some
> > > point.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will the vote be for
> recommending that
> > new TCK
> > > tests to
> > > > be added
> > > > > to EE 10 will use the package
> prefix?
> > > > >
> > > > > I think if possible, use
the agreed
> > package prefix.
> > > If not,
> > > > leave
> > > > > it for now. I think the
minimum is
> not to
> > use jakarta.*
> > > > prefix as it
> > > > > might cause issues.
> > > > >
> > > > > Will the vote be for
requiring
> that new
> > TCK tests
> > > to be
> > > > added to
> > > > > EE 11 will use the
package prefix?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jakarta EE 11 new TCKs must
use the new
> > namespace.
> > > > >
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >> Unless there are other
> proposals, I'll
> > kick that
> > > vote off on
> > > > >> Monday.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -David
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Jan 6, 2022, at
10:51 AM,
> Nathan Rauh
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> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Emily,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> To answer your
question, it's an
> > existing TCK
> > > that we are
> > > > >>> porting from the
platform into
> the the
> > > particular spec
> > > > >>> project where we are also
> adding new
> > test cases to
> > > > cover the
> > > > >>> function that is new in EE
> 10. The
> > developer
> > > working
> > > > on the
> > > > >>> TCK port overachieved
and had
> renamed the
> > > packages from
> > > > >>> whatever they were
previously to
> > jakarta.*, and
> > > then others
> > > > >>> of us when adding new tests
> used the same
> > > package to match
> > > > >>> the ported tests. To
> reiterate what
> > stated in my
> > > > reply, this
> > > > >>> is not going to be a
concern for
> > TomEE and others
> > > > because I'm
> > > > >>> agreeing to get the TCK
off of the
> > jakarta.*
> > > packages
> > > > for EE
> > > > >>> 10 - just not to wait
for the
> outcome
> > of what
> > > will be
> > > > the new
> > > > >>> convention because that
would
> set us
> > back too far.
> > > > Given the
> > > > >>> number of positive
replies to
> that, I
> > already have a
> > > > pull in
> > > > >>> place to do so and have
notified
> > several other spec
> > > > >>> participants who have
new TCK
> tests
> > that they
> > > are writing
> > > > >>> currently in progress
so that
> can use
> > a different
> > > > package. I
> > > > >>> appreciate the quick
replies from
> > everyone -
> > > this is a case
> > > > >>> where being able to
take decisive
> > action right away
> > > > >>> definitely lessens the
impact.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> From: "Romain
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> > > > >>> Date: 01/06/2022
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> > > > >>> Subject:
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> > > [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > > >>> Standardizing new TCK
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> > (was:package
> > > prefixes for
> > > > >>> Jakarta Batch TCK-related
> > > classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
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> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Just want to remind we
don't speak
> > about some
> > > issue with
> > > > >>> implementations - typically
> TomEE has
> > a "toggle" to
> > > > solve it
> > > > >>> - but with the spec which
> forbids it
> > so it means
> > > that using
> > > > >>> jakarta.tck is forbidden by
> jakarta
> > as quote
> > > earlier, in
> > > > >>> particular cause most
of TCK
> are ran
> > in servlet
> > > context by
> > > > >>> the TCK runner and it
had been
> like
> > that since
> > > years, I
> > > > just
> > > > >>> think javax -> jakarta
(and more
> > likely sun ->
> > > eclipse)
> > > > move
> > > > >>> missed that.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So no choice to rename, it
> seems the
> > options are:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> * jakarta.ee- from my
point of
> view
> > it comes from
> > > > nowhere for
> > > > >>> anyone not deeply
involved in
> Jakarta,
> > > > >>> * tck.jakarta - not
very neat
> but works
> > > > >>> *
org.eclipse.jakarta.tck - I
> still
> > think it is
> > > the most
> > > > >>> consistent with what
Jakarta
> is as of
> > today.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Agree existing spec (using
> org.jboss
> > for ex)
> > > don't need to
> > > > >>> move now, the only
requirement
> is to
> > not use
> > > > >>> jakarta.something for
anything
> which
> > is actually
> > > > deployed as
> > > > >>> an application.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > >>> @rmannibucau| Blog |
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> | Github |
> > > LinkedIn | Book
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Le jeu. 6 janv. 2022 à
18:50,
> Emily
> > Jiang via
> > > > >>> jakartaee-platform-dev
> > > > <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
> > > > >>> Nathan,
> > > > >>> Which Jakarta spec tcks
> already used this
> > > package starting
> > > > >>> with jakarta.*? Is this
change new
> > for Jakarta
> > > EE 10 or
> > > > >>> already released in the
earlier
> > Jakarta EE
> > > release? If
> > > > it was
> > > > >>> released before, then
it is not an
> > issue. If it
> > > is a new
> > > > >>> change, will this be a
concern for
> > TomEE as
> > > mentioned
> > > > by David?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> When TomEE (might be
others)
> comes to
> > run the
> > > tck, it might
> > > > >>> cause issues. David, any
> thoughts on
> > this? If it
> > > is the
> > > > case,
> > > > >>> it might be ok to choose a
> different
> > package such as
> > > > >>> ee.jakarta or
jakartatck etc.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> By the way, the new naming
> convention
> > is for new
> > > specs. The
> > > > >>> existing specs should
adopt it
> in the
> > subsequent
> > > release EE
> > > > >>> 11 once we have reached
> agreement on
> > which name
> > > to use.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks
> > > > >>> Emily
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at
3:41 PM
> Nathan
> > Rauh
> > > > >>> <nathan.rauh@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > >>> This discussion is
concerning
> because
> > one of the
> > > Jakarta
> > > > >>> specs that I'm working
on and
> which
> > is already
> > > cutting
> > > > it too
> > > > >>> close making the EE 10
release is
> > unfortunately
> > > using
> > > > >>> jakarta.* package names
for TCK
> > classes, and now
> > > it's going
> > > > >>> to need to change, further
> > compromising our
> > > chances of
> > > > >>> getting into EE 10.
The chosen
> > package name
> > > doesn't matter
> > > > >>> to me, nor does whether
or not
> there is
> > > standardization
> > > > >>> across TCKs. What does
matter (to
> > this spec at
> > > least) is
> > > > >>> getting a decision made
> quickly, but
> > I don't
> > > foresee a
> > > > >>> decision on this being
reached
> > anytime soon
> > > given the many
> > > > >>> widely varying opinions
that will
> > likely eventually
> > > > become a
> > > > >>> vote, itself with a
sufficient
> period
> > of time
> > > for votes
> > > > to be
> > > > >>> collected and all of that.
> It's just
> > way too
> > > late into
> > > > EE 10
> > > > >>> for adding a new
requirement like
> > this, and I'm
> > > going to
> > > > >>> suggest that it apply
to EE 11
> > instead, with the
> > > > >>> understanding that for
EE 10,
> we'll
> > at least get
> > > off of the
> > > > >>> jakarta.* package name
in the
> tck to
> > something
> > > else and
> > > > then
> > > > >>> align with whatever you
decide
> in EE
> > 11. Unless
> > > anyone
> > > > >>> objects, that's what
I'll plan
> on doing.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> From: "Werner Keil"
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> > > > >>> Date: 01/06/2022
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> > > > >>> Subject:
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> > > [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > > >>> Standardizing new TCK
packages
> > (was:package
> > > prefixes for
> > > > >>> Jakarta Batch TCK-related
> > > classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
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> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> At least org.glassfish
still
> seems to
> > be used.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Werner
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Gesendet von Mailfür
Windows
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Von: Mike Milinkovich
> > > > >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6.
> Januar 2022
> > 15:24
> > > > >>> An:
> > jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > >>> Betreff: Re:
> [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > Standardizing new TCK
> > > > >>> packages (was:package
prefixes for
> > Jakarta Batch
> > > > TCK-related
> > > > >>>
classes?org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I would like to point
out that
> we do
> > not use
> > > "org" anywhere
> > > > >>> with Jakarta at the
moment. We
> do not
> > own the
> > > > >>> jakarta.orgdomain name, for
> example.
> > We do own
> > > and use the
> > > > >>> jakarta.eedomain name.
> > > > >>> From my perspective,
starting
> to use
> > the .org
> > > TLD with
> > > > >>> Jakarta for this
purpose might be
> > confusing.
> > > > >>> On 2022-01-06 9:09
a.m., Scott
> Kurz
> > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> +1 fororg.jakartatck.*
> > > > >>> (though OK with the
other options)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks David for making
that an
> > option and
> > > thanks all for
> > > > >>> giving this some
thought. Even
> > though not
> > > too many
> > > > people
> > > > >>> look at a TCK relatively
> speaking it
> > seemed
> > > better to
> > > > be good
> > > > >>> Java citizens and use a
> package of a
> > domain name
> > > we own.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > >
> ------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>> Scott Kurz
> > > > >>> WebSphere / Open
Liberty Batch and
> > Developer
> > > Experience
> > > > >>> skurz@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:skurz@xxxxxxxxxx>
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> > > > >>>
> > >
> --------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> "Emily Jiang via
> jakartaee-platform-dev"
> > > ---01/06/2022
> > > > >>> 05:16:41 AM---Thank you
David
> for the
> > detailed
> > > > explanation! I
> > > > >>> now understood the
concern. The
> > following package na
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> From: "Emily Jiang via
> > jakartaee-platform-dev"
> > > > >>>
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> > > > >>> To: "jakartaee-platform
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> > > > >>> Date: 01/06/2022 05:16 AM
> > > > >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> > [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > > >>> Standardizing new TCK
packages
> (was:
> > package
> > > prefixes for
> > > > >>> Jakarta Batch
TCK-related classes?
> > > > org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > > >>> Sent by:
"jakartaee-platform-dev"
> > > > >>>
> > <jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > > >>> <Mail Attachment.png>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thank you David for the
detailed
> > explanation! I now
> > > > >>> understood the concern.
> > > > >>> The following package name
> might work:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -- tck.jakarta.<spec>.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> In all, we could choose one
> from the list
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> org.jakartatck.*
> > > > >>> ee.jakarta.tck.*
> > > > >>> tck.jakarta.*
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Thanks
> > > > >>> Emily
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at
12:09
> AM David
> > Blevins
> > > > >>> <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>> I think I finally see what
> Romain is
> > talking about.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I know in TomEE we have
several
> > optimizations to
> > > try and
> > > > >>> speed up deployment and
bytecode
> > scanning. We'll
> > > > filter out
> > > > >>> jars that match
patterns like
> > log4j-*, openejb-*,
> > > > jakarta-*.
> > > > >>> Those jars are removed
from
> the list
> > of jars
> > > that could
> > > > >>> potentially contain
> applications and
> > they'll
> > > never be
> > > > >>> searched for
annotations like
> > @Singleton, etc.
> > > > Additionally,
> > > > >>> as everyone uses somewhat
> expensive
> > bytecode readers
> > > > like ASM
> > > > >>> to parse bytecode and
scan for
> > annotations, we have
> > > > >>> additional filters to skip
> > non-application
> > > classes, such as
> > > > >>> javax.* and jakarta.*.
There are
> > classloader
> > > related
> > > > actions
> > > > >>> as well.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Here's an example we hit in
> > EclipseLink when we
> > > tried
> > > > to use
> > > > >>> the Eclipse Transformer
to do the
> > > javax-to-jakarta change.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> -
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> We were transforming
> EclipseLink 2.x
> > which did
> > > not have the
> > > > >>>
`!name.startsWith("jakarta.")`
> string
> > check, so
> > > jakarta.*
> > > > >>> classes were getting
loaded as
> > application
> > > classes and
> > > > >>> causing most tests to
fail.
> We hit
> > this in a
> > > few different
> > > > >>> libraries and ended up
having to
> > patch source to
> > > ensure
> > > > >>> "jakarta." and
"Ljakarta/" were
> > factored into
> > > any code that
> > > > >>> checked for "javax." as a
> package or
> > "Ljavax/"
> > > as bytecode.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> If we started putting
the TCK
> tests
> > in "jakarta.tck"
> > > > and that
> > > > >>> also included the test
> applications
> > we need to
> > > deploy and
> > > > >>> verify, that definitely
will cause
> > issues in a
> > > handful of
> > > > >>> component
implementations we
> all use.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> The only way to handle it
> would be to
> > update
> > > code like this
> > > > >>> to have an exclusion that
> explicitly
> > checks for
> > > > "jakarta.tck"
> > > > >>> and ensures it is
treated as
> user-created
> > > application code
> > > > >>> and bypasses any "javax" or
> "jakarta"
> > checks.
> > > That's going
> > > > >>> to mean there'll be
code in our
> > implementations
> > > that says
> > > > >>> essentially "if your
code starts
> > with jakarta.tck,
> > > > make sure
> > > > >>> it's treated correctly,
> otherwise do
> > something
> > > else." That
> > > > >>> could be a slippery slope.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It's probably better if we
> don't put
> > ourselves in a
> > > > situation
> > > > >>> were we have to write
code to
> > specially handle TCK
> > > > applications.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> It occurs to be in writing
> this that
> > literally any
> > > > characters
> > > > >>> before "jakarta" solves
this
> issue.
> > If we want
> > > a short
> > > > name,
> > > > >>> we do own the
jakarta.eedomain
> and can
> > > potentially use
> > > > either
> > > > >>> of these:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> - ee.jakarta.*
> > > > >>> - ee.jakarta.tck.*
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> I also just looked and
> jakartatck.orgwas
> > > available, so I
> > > > >>> purchased that and we could
> > potentially use:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> - org.jakartatck.*
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> If we wanted to go that
direction,
> > I'd just transfer
> > > > >>> jakartatck.orgto the
Working Group
> > like I did when
> > > > purchased
> > > > >>> jakarta.ee
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> >
>
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> > > <http://jakarta.ee
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> >
>
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> > > >
> > > <http://jakarta.ee
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>
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> >
>
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> >
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYGEMDaRY$>>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > > <http://jakarta.ee
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://jakarta.ee__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGDSdTO_0$>
>
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> >
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> > <http://jakarta.ee
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> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> David Blevins
> > > > >>> http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
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> >
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> >
> > > <http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
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> >
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<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>>
> > > >
> > > <http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
>
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> >
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> >
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> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > > <http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
>
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> >
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<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>> <http://twitter.com/dblevins <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
> >
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> > <http://twitter.com/dblevins
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$>
>
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> >
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<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>> <http://twitter.com/dblevins <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGzdRRA-M$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfWip4nL4$>>
> >
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<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://twitter.com/dblevins__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!b-zVqz1ZDAQgRJxwGD94OEOJ4ORyZ6sOC1SbbDk5c0gw9DdokiMrnSOYgcXYmtsGf50$>>>>>>
> > > > >>> http://www.tomitribe.com
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!c992g8e-KFUW1WcTKSFV37CoLuc12lftD7Lwi6mP7HJ8TxKQgidde8-zZuHGL7lmUsQ$>
>
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.tomitribe.com__;!!ACWV5N9M2RV99hQ!aA6V1XOfvkD2M4d_6rOhf4QtrZzbuuT_bPBbROZoAYMdAcews05p1o0r5zvfIkAgRGc$>>
> >
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> > > > >>>
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> >
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> >
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> > > > >>>> On Jan 5, 2022, at
1:19 PM,
> Thomas
> > Watson
> > > > >>>> <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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> > <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Just to make sure I
> understand you.
> > Are you
> > > > suggesting that
> > > > >>>> an application class
loader
> for the
> > old Java EE
> > > (e.g. Java
> > > > >>>> EE 8) must not allow
not allow an
> > application
> > > (WAR) to
> > > > >>>> package and load any
classes from
> > javax.* which
> > > they
> > > > >>>> contain. For example, no
> > application server should
> > > > allow an
> > > > >>>> application to contain and
> > successfully load
> > > > javax.foo.Bar?
> > > > >>>> And now that we are
in the
> > jakarta.* namespace no
> > > > >>>> application server should
> allow an
> > application
> > > to package
> > > > >>>> and load a jakarta.foo.Bar
> class?
> > What about javax
> > > > now that
> > > > >>>> we are jakarta, can
> applications in
> > Jakarta 9 now
> > > > >>>> successfully include
and load
> > javax.foo.Bar?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I have to say this is
news to me,
> > and I do not
> > > believe
> > > > that
> > > > >>>> is the way most
application
> servers
> > behave.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Tom
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> ----- Original message
-----
> > > > >>>> From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
> > > <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
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> > > > >>>> Cc:
> > > > >>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> > [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > > >>>> Standardizing new TCK
> packages (was:
> > package
> > > prefixes for
> > > > >>>> Jakarta Batch TCK-related
> classes?
> > > > org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > > >>>> Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022
2:09 PM
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
20:37,
> Thomas
> > Watson
> > > > >>>> <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>
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<mailto:tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>>>>>> a écrit :
> > > > >>>>> If you want one
example, servlet
> > 10.7.2 (for
> > > v4.0 to take
> > > > >>>>> one example) explicit
it and for
> > good technical
> > > > reasons so
> > > > >>>>> it is a "must stay"
but it
> implies
> > TCK shouldn't
> > > > reuse the
> > > > >>>>> same package by
design and as it
> > always had
> > > been so
> > > > it let
> > > > >>>>> you org.eclipse for
projects
> > without an historical
> > > > package
> > > > >>>>> (guess it is more
than fine
> to keep the
> > > existing one when
> > > > >>>>> it is there).
> > > > >>>> In no way do I see how
that
> section
> > of the v4.0
> > > > servlet spec
> > > > >>>> says anything about
> jakarta.*. That
> > package didn't
> > > > exist in
> > > > >>>> v4. For v5 we have:
> > > > >>>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Here I think you are
referring to
> > this sentence:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> "Servlet containers
that are not
> > part of a
> > > Jakarta EE
> > > > >>>> product should not
allow the
> > application to
> > > override
> > > > Jakarta
> > > > >>>> EE platform classes,
such as
> those
> > in the jakarta.*
> > > > >>>> namespaces, that
Jakarta EE
> does not
> > allow to be
> > > > modified."
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> TCK classes are not
> considered platform
> > > classes, they are
> > > > >>>> TCK classes. I don't
see how
> this
> > sentence
> > > applies to a
> > > > >>>> possible jakarta.tck
package.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> This is true for part
of the
> tck but
> > most of
> > > them are
> > > > >>>> *applications*
(servlet for a
> > trivial example,
> > > > everything in
> > > > >>>> war/ear for another one).
> > > > >>>> Just stated what we
have and do -
> > and to be
> > > honest it is
> > > > >>>> normal otherwise tck
wouldnt
> validate
> > > compliance using a
> > > > >>>> custom packaging ;).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Tom
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> ----- Original message
-----
> > > > >>>> From: "Romain Manni-Bucau"
> > > <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> > > > >>>> Sent by:
"jakartaee-platform-dev"
> > > > >>>>
> > <jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > >
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > >
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > >
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > >
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> > > > >>>> To: "Emily Jiang"
> > <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
> > > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
> > > > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> <mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>>>
> > > > >>>> Cc:
"jakartaee-platform developer
> > discussions"
> > > > >>>>
> <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > <mailto:jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > >
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> > > > >>>>
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> > > >
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> > > > >>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re:
> > [jakartaee-platform-dev]
> > > > >>>> Standardizing new TCK
> packages (was:
> > package
> > > prefixes for
> > > > >>>> Jakarta Batch TCK-related
> classes?
> > > > org.eclipse.ee4j.batch ?)
> > > > >>>> Date: Wed, Jan 5, 2022
10:09 AM
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
16:37,
> Emily
> > Jiang
> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>> @Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > >>>> I must have
misunderstood your
> > question. Let
> > > me try again
> > > > >>>> to clarify this:
> > > > >>>> 1. what's the plan
about the spec
> > saying jakarta.*
> > > > should be
> > > > >>>> excluded from the
applications
> > (which means it
> > > cant be
> > > > used
> > > > >>>> by TCK)?
> > > > >>>> I disagree with what
you said
> > jakarta.* can't
> > > be used
> > > > by TCK
> > > > >>>> because TCKs are part of
> specs and
> > do not fall
> > > into the
> > > > >>>> application category.
> Besides, can
> > you point
> > > out which
> > > > spec
> > > > >>>> has this sentence? We
need to
> > discuss this
> > > further to see
> > > > >>>> whether it is correct
to say
> so if
> > it does have
> > > this
> > > > sentence.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Ok so the consequence
of you
> > statement is that
> > > there is no
> > > > >>>> application code in
TCK, no CDI
> > bean, no EJB, no
> > > > servlet, no
> > > > >>>> JSP etc... (which is
not true
> > right?) so TCK
> > > are mainly a)
> > > > >>>> application code and
b) test code
> > (sometimes c)
> > > runner
> > > > code
> > > > >>>> but let's integrate it
in b)).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> If you want one
example, servlet
> > 10.7.2 (for
> > > v4.0 to take
> > > > >>>> one example) explicit
it and for
> > good technical
> > > reasons so
> > > > >>>> it is a "must stay" but it
> implies TCK
> > > shouldn't reuse the
> > > > >>>> same package by design
and as it
> > always had
> > > been so it let
> > > > >>>> you org.eclipse for
projects
> without an
> > > historical package
> > > > >>>> (guess it is more than
fine
> to keep the
> > > existing one
> > > > when it
> > > > >>>> is there).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> 2. What about user
confusion?
> "not
> > care" :(?
> > > > >>>> Not sure what user
confusion
> do you
> > mean? TCKs
> > > are pretty
> > > > >>>> much for implementers.
> Besides, I am
> > not sure what
> > > > >>>> confusions you are
referring
> to. I
> > think the
> > > namespace
> > > > with
> > > > >>>> jakarta.tck is clearer
as it
> means
> > the tck classes
> > > > from Jakarta.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> As soon as you get the
> dependency in
> > a dependency -
> > > > you are
> > > > >>>> an user by definition
- then
> you can
> > get issues
> > > if you use
> > > > >>>> jakarta.
> > > > >>>> It is also the case
for end
> user -
> > who never
> > > use tck
> > > > package
> > > > >>>> - on maven if they are
released
> > under jakarta
> > > groupId
> > > > so as
> > > > >>>> recommended in java
ecosystem the
> > groupId should be
> > > > aligned
> > > > >>>> on the package base
name so
> likely use
> > > > >>>>
org.eclipse.jakarta.spec or
> alike.
> > The risk is
> > > users start
> > > > >>>> importing tck instead
of the
> spec and
> > > application will
> > > > work
> > > > >>>> cause the spec comes
transitively
> > but it is not
> > > what
> > > > jakarta
> > > > >>>> wants, right? Making
it clean is
> > trivial and
> > > > consistent with
> > > > >>>> everything so I think
it is worth
> > not trying to
> > > be more
> > > > >>>> clever than we need to.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> HTH
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at
3:02 PM
> > Romain Manni-Bucau
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> > > > >>>> @Emily: i know TCK are
part
> of the
> > spec as well
> > > as the
> > > > API,
> > > > >>>> javadoc and textual doc
> (pdf/word)
> > but you didn't
> > > > solve the
> > > > >>>> 2 issues I mentionned
(not even
> > speaking of the
> > > > >>>> inconsistency between the
> status and
> > naming
> > > which is
> > > > >>>> something very few
will care
> except
> > eclipse itself
> > > > maybe) so
> > > > >>>> not sure how the fact
it is
> > delivered as a whole
> > > > solves the
> > > > >>>> fact it is forbidden
by spec
> to use
> > this package.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > >>>> @rmannibucau | Blog |
Old Blog |
> > Github |
> > > LinkedIn | Book
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
15:26,
> Emily
> > Jiang
> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>> Romain,
> > > > >>>> TCKs are part of spec, as
> spec includes
> > > api/spec doc /tck.
> > > > >>>> Thanks
> > > > >>>> Emily
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at
1:48 PM
> > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > >>>> <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > > >>>> @Emily: what's the
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> > spec saying
> > > jakarta.*
> > > > >>>> should be excluded
from the
> > applications (which
> > > means it
> > > > >>>> cant be used by TCK)? What
> about user
> > > confusion? "not
> > > > care" :(?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > >>>> @rmannibucau | Blog |
Old Blog |
> > Github |
> > > LinkedIn | Book
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
14:31,
> Emily
> > Jiang via
> > > > >>>> jakartaee-platform-dev
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> > > > >>>> We discussed the
various package
> > names including
> > > > >>>> org.eclipse.*. The
feedback
> is that
> > TCKs should
> > > align with
> > > > >>>> the corresponding
spec. It is
> much
> > nicer to
> > > start with
> > > > >>>> jakarta.tck to denote
the TCK
> > classes and also
> > > easily to
> > > > >>>> filter out with
pattern matching
> > when searching
> > > for api
> > > > >>>> classes. Besides it is
much
> shorter than
> > > > org.eclipse.jakarta.
> > > > >>>> In Jakarta Batch Tcks, you
> will use
> > > jakarta.tck.batch
> > > > >>>> instead of
> > org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.batch.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks
> > > > >>>> Emily
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at
8:05 AM
> > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > >>>> <rmannibucau@xxxxxxxxx
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> > > > >>>> As written on jbatch
list I
> think it
> > is normal
> > > and safe to
> > > > >>>> use
org.eclipse.<something like
> > jakarta.spec or
> > > just spec>
> > > > >>>> since jakarta specs
are eclipse
> > projects. It
> > > also has the
> > > > >>>> advantage to not use
jakarta.*
> > package which is
> > > treated
> > > > >>>> specifically by all
> implementations
> > (by spec
> > > actually ;))
> > > > >>>> and would need some
specific
> rules
> > in the impl
> > > is used for
> > > > >>>> tcks too which is not the
> target of
> > the spec at
> > > all.
> > > > Lastly
> > > > >>>> it makes it obvious it
is not
> part
> > of the API
> > > for users so
> > > > >>>> it is very good too.
For me, it
> > looks like a
> > > > consistent and
> > > > >>>> good compromise for
everyone
> > (foundation, users,
> > > > vendors and
> > > > >>>> spec contributors/legal).
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > >>>> @rmannibucau | Blog |
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> > Github |
> > > LinkedIn | Book
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Le mer. 5 janv. 2022 à
08:23,
> > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>> Sounds like a good
> improvement to me
> > as well
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Le mar. 4 janv. 2022 à
22:00,
> David
> > Blevins
> > > > >>>>
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> > > > >>>>> On Jan 4, 2022, at
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> Emily
> > Jiang via
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> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I had this matter
discussed
> in today's
> > > platform call.
> > > > Below
> > > > >>>>> is the suggestion for
the naming
> > convention:
> > > > >>>>> • [Emily]
Package naming
> > convention for
> > > TCKs?
> > > > >>>>> •
Packages for TCK
> > starts with
> > > various
> > > > names,
> > > > >>>>> e.g. org.ibm, org.jboss,
> org.eclipse,
> > > > jakarta.[spec].tck etc,
> > > > >>>>> •
Should they be
> > standardized?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> • Two things
need naming
> > standard:
> > > > >>>>> • Packages
> > > > >>>>> •
> Suggested
> > Naming Standard:
> > > > >>>>> jakarta.tck.[spec]
> > > > >>>>>
• New
> classes in
> > > existing TCKs
> > > > should
> > > > >>>>> use the new name standard
> > > > >>>>> • Artifacts
> > > > >>>>>
• Same
> group
> > id as the spec
> > > > >>>>>
• Artifact
> > ids [foo]-tck
> > > > >>>>> • Existing TCKs may
> change if
> > they like
> > > > >>>>> New TCKs must use the new
> name standard
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> The above is the general
> consensus
> > from the
> > > meeting.
> > > > I will
> > > > >>>>> start a new thread
> conversation for
> > others to
> > > comment on
> > > > >>>>> the naming convention.
> > > > >>>> Others can chime in, but I
> like the
> > above
> > > recommendation.
> > > > >>>> Using
jakarta.tck.[spec] is
> just as
> > good as
> > > > >>>>
org.eclipse.jakarta.tck.[spec],
> > perhaps better.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Also agree that it
should be
> > standard across the
> > > > various TCKs.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> -David
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
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