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Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [Questions for the Steering Committee] Jakarta EE 9 Announcement: A United blog IS NEEDED

I would be delighted to take the time to help clarify one-on-one. Please feel free to shoot me an email out of band? No hurry at all of course!

Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.

On 7/1/2020 4:18 PM, Edward Moore wrote:
I'm okay. Maybe more was read into this than intended. I see many people here and there are committees and there are budgets, and there are even JCP ECs. Not many projects I also follow have all of this. I get it that Jakarta for some reason needs people to be in JCPs and to set budgets in steering committees.

For the casual observer this is all very mysterious. I thought that Jakarta was not about the JCP, but the JCP is about Jakarta? And people who are not in a steering committee set a budget for the steering committee, or are there multiple steering committees?

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020, 21:06:50 BST, Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


+1

It seems the two should probably continue this conversation in direct Mail, hangout or a similar Form;-)

Werner

Reza Rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Mi., 1. Juli 2020, 21:55:

With all respect, I suggest that this is not the most productive discussion or perhaps something that should be taken offline?

I think the reality is what the true value of any individual contribution is can be incredibly subjective.

On the other hand, if the fundamental issue is about dubious behaviors or communications, the Eclipse Foundation does have a well defined way of dealing with that: https://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Community_Code_of_Conduct.php. Just FYI. Not implying anything one way or the other.

Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.

On 7/1/2020 3:42 PM, Edward Moore wrote:

Okay, your contribution is among others forging budgets? Is that the budget for this Steering Committee, or for something else?
On Wednesday, 1 July 2020, 19:48:43 BST, Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


#sharingIScaring continues- fun!

I was there & I am there when the Jakarta EE Budget was forged, tackling each item before it went out for a vote -- private mode. 
I was there when the new contracts were being forged on that review-- private mode. 
I am there on each review of the formal Jakarta EE announcements, the Survey results, anything that aims at communicating-- private mode.

I use the Jakarta EE git most often.  Public collaboration is my preference, past- present- future. 
Though I used to be a coder in 1995-1996-1997 so I still today understand code, I choose not to contribute to OpenSource with code. 

I was there when Java EE came to halt in 2015... Tomitribe was lucky to have beautiful supporters, thanks to them, we gained access to the paid TCK for Java EE 7.  To truly understand something, we must support it by understanding it & gaining access to it.  

I was there when a few of us chose to found the MicroProfile project that potentially led to the release of Java EE 8. 

Smiling, thanks again for asking away to try to understand me, 
 


On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:36 AM Edward Moore <edward.moore39@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Wow, that's a lot of text. Thanks (I think).

What you're saying is that you have a seat on the JCP EC. But what does the JCP EC contribute to Jakarta? What do you specifically contribute to Jakarta?

Again, accept my apologies if these are silly questions. I'm trying to understand why Jakarta has someone like an "Amelia" and what you exactly contribute. I mean, in most open source projects I see people contributing code, other people work on documentation, or create and triage tickets. Are you doing anything like that?

On Wednesday, 1 July 2020, 01:15:50 BST, Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Hola Edward, 

Thank you for this open follow-up which I welcomed. Your questions are wonderful. 

My name is Amelia, Operations at Tomitribe. 
Tomitribe, thanks to the JCP Community, holds 1 seat on the JCP EC Executive, I have been in that space collaborating on reviews, votes... etc  way before there was the announcement about moving Java EE to the Eclipse Foundation. 
Before Jakarta EE became the re-branding of Java EE under the Eclipse Foundation, it was the JCP body via the executive group, whose job was to protect Java EE. 

 Our seat, that of Tomitribe in the JCP EC,  is only possible by the JCP Community Members, by those voters in the JCP ecosystem who trust either individuals or companies, to stand for what is fair & push for betterment.   Currently there are 20 seats in the JCP EC.  
NOW, there is no perfect member, there is no perfect action, we can always improve. Especially, if we choose to bring others to discuss what currently is & what is not clear in the open. Hence I can answer your questions and you no longer how to wonder who I am & why I care.  

Even in today's ecosystem,  the companies listed as members have chosen to gain access to work in shaping the Jakarta EE Working Group by formally signing contracts and paying fees. Though Tomitribe pays for that access as so does all other companies, we not only fend for the ME-first goals. 

No matter the reason why someone might choose to become a contributor to Jakarta EE, we ought to step up & watch how we contribute and what we could improve (owning the task, if at all possible) given the resources at hand & the results at hand.  

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to tell you a bit more of who I am and why I care Edward, 



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:28 PM Edward Moore <edward.moore39@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm just a casual observer on this list, but a big fan of Jakarta. Maybe this is very obvious to those in the know, but I've been asking myself for a while what Amelia is contributing to Jakarta?

Amelia, you ask about the blog, but why don't you write and contribute it? I don't understand what your role in Jakarta is, and it does not become clear from any profile.

Please accept my apologies if this is a silly question.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:13 AM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Contributing to Jakarta EE goes beyond code. 

Let's write a blog release announcement that truly shows a 365 story that is reflective on everyone's efforts.  
An announcement that is most caring & most understanding of the fact that many organizations work ONLY on a few Jakarta EE Specifications, that to compare to Oracle formidable contributions- you must be partnering with Oracle by working on Eclipse GlassFish, etc... 

There is more that meets the eye in Open Source. When we shed light into the things that might not be known, that ought to be known,  we are choosing to become much more responsible and as a result, our ownership as Contributors & Users increases. 
Open Source Contributing is beautiful because it is the ecosystem that allows everyone to play from the people who produce it to the companies that use it. 


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