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Re: [ide-dev] Survey results


If we have the (long overdue) preference profiles we can legitimately promote the change as good for everyone.

Those who need to preserve existing behaviour can just select the Legacy Profile; a single quick workspace 'repair'. They can exploit per-application profiles to ensure uniformity as preferences evolve.

Those who want to move one can proceed without chnage, but will probably want to have application-wide profiles too.


        Ed Willink

On 09/12/2013 18:59, Ian Skerrett wrote:

I agree 100% we cannot ignore the results. It is obvious a lot of people want the compiler warnings to change, so work needs to be done to improve the warnings. However, I do think a large minority didn’t like what was proposed so we should look for a compromise.





From: ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sopot Çela
Sent: December-09-13 5:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [ide-dev] Survey results


If 65 % is not large enough for action you should have stated in the beginning that only if we go over e.g. 75% this change will be made, not decide now based on a feeling for a number in a 'hmm 65% doesn't sound enough' fashion.


As I said I have voted 'No' for this but this ignoring of the people who actually took the time to help you by stating their opinion feels really bad. This poll resulted from an effort to be decisive and actually do something rather than go around in circles with opinions. We fended off other poll questions for which we had no 'promises' to be implemented if chosen so this poll was obviously aimed at implementing the requested features. Saying now that 'Yes you want it but we at Eclipse with commit rights know better' is not a good community strategy, especially to those who you asked for an opinion and who turned their head and listened.




On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx> wrote:

OK, I’ll have to blow the dust off of it and read through the yellowed pages :).


Not sure self-selecting matters too much in this case (and I’m pretty sure my textbook says that self-selecting is bad). I didn’t feel the way the survey was presented led to a bias.


Anyway, just fishing for opinions. I still agree with Ian’s conclusions.




From: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Organization: Eclipse Foundation
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Date: Monday, December 9, 2013 at 10:50 AM

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Subject: Re: [ide-dev] Survey results


On 09/12/2013 10:39 AM, Doug Schaefer wrote:

Which is actually another point, the response size is pretty small. I’m not sure we can conclude anything based on that.

Check your old statistics textbook. The total sample size was well over 2000 people. That is definitely a statistically significant sample size. Of course the sample was self-selecting so there will be bias. So please stop saying that the sample was too small.

If we assume a population of 9 million people who use Eclipse, a confidence level of 99%, and a confidence interval of 3%, we only needed 1849 responses.

Mike Milinkovich

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