On 2017-12-01 6:08 AM, Heiko Rupp
      wrote:
    
    On 1
      Dec 2017, at 11:57, Markus KARG wrote:
      
      
      The plan to code
        first and then ask another institution for standardization was
        publicly confirmed at EclipseCon 2018
        
      
      
      I did not understand it that way. Rather that a EE4JCP would
      
      still need to be established.
      
      Code first was meant, from how I understood it, to have something
      
      to discuss with users so that it gets "hardened" before cast in
      
      stone^wspec text.
    
    Heiko's interpretation is the correct one. 
    
    Future EE-related specs will be done via a new process under the
      auspices of the Eclipse Foundation. This new process has not yet
      been created, but it will be. I am not sure how this is confusing
      as Oracle, along with IBM , Red Hat, and the Eclipse Foundation
      have stated this clearly and publicly several times. (I am writing
      this on an airplane or I would provide links. Sorry about that.)
    I believe that it is accurate to say that the JCP is the only
      place where a Java specification can be created today. But there
      will not be a Java EE 9 defined via the current JCP Process.
    
    "Code first" was meant to say that as an open source organization
      and community we believe that the code comes first. Plus, simply
      moving over all of the existing Java EE projects is a huge job.
      The plan is to move the projects under the EE4J umbrella, and then
      ship a Java EE 8 compliant release from EE4J. That will exercise
      all of the incubation, open source development, and IP policies of
      the Eclipse Foundation, demonstrate that we have a functioning
      PMC, and show that the EE4J community is operating under the open
      source rules of engagement.
    In parallel with that we will be establishing a new specification
      process, a new brand, and an Eclipse working group.
    
    It is going to be quite the ride, so please fasten your seat
      belts :)