Re: [ee4j-community] Initial Committer Lists & Project Meritocracy

[Mark Thomas <markt@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 04/12/17 08:21, Guillermo González de Agüero wrote:
> Mark,
> 
> Mailing lists were migrated to http://download.oracle.com/javaee-archive/

Excellent. Many thanks. That is very helpful.

I can't find any mention of that link on the Servlet EG mailing list.
I'll post it now.

Mark


> 
> El lun., 4 dic. 2017 a las 9:18, Mark Thomas (<markt@xxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:markt@xxxxxxxxxx>>) escribió:
> 
>     On 03/12/17 20:47, Dmitry Kornilov wrote:
>     > We tried to be careful creating initial committers lists, but we are
>     > humans and can make mistakes. :)
>     > If someone supposed to be there, but not included, please add a
>     comment
>     > to a proposal or contact PMC or me directly. We will discuss it on the
>     > following PMC meeting and make a decision. All projects proposals
>     are on
>     > public review now. This is right time to address this kind of issues.
>     >
>     > We included people in initial committers lists using the following
>     rules:
>     >
>     > 1. GitHub project committers with 5+ commits. Committers who didn’t
>     > expose email address on GitHub were NOT added. Email must be filled to
>     > add a committer. It may be an issue. To get added, see above.
>     > 2. EG members are NOT added automatically. They are added only if they
>     > had 5+ commits.
> 
>     That criteria is flawed. For the EGs I have been involved in (Servlet,
>     WebSocket and - less recently - UEL and JSP) the only people able to
>     commit to the repositories were the spec lead and (in some cases) one
>     other Oracle employee.
> 
>     I would say it would be better to look at the mailing list archives as
>     well to see who was active but since the migration off java.net
>     <http://java.net> I
>     haven't been able to find where, if anywhere, the mailing lists were
>     migrated to.
> 
>     > All APIs are already released which assumes all EGs
>     > disbanded. Again, if someone from EG wants to join as initial
>     committer,
>     > see above.
> 
>     Will do.
> 
>     Mark
> 
> 
>     > 3. There are a bunch of initial committers from vendors which will
>     > support projects in future.>
>     > —Dmitry
>     >
>     >
>     >> On 3 Dec 2017, at 16:19, John D. Ament <john.d.ament@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:john.d.ament@xxxxxxxxx>
>     >> <mailto:john.d.ament@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:john.d.ament@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>     wrote:
>     >>
>     >> All,
>     >>
>     >> I want to raise a comment on one of the proposals to this group, to
>     >> make sure its not lost and see if PMC members or other committers
>     have
>     >> any comments on it.
>     >>
>     >> Mark Thomas raised a comment about Initial Committers, and how they
>     >> seem to be missing some Expert Group
>     >> members: https://projects.eclipse.org/comment/252#comment-252
>     >>
>     >> I'm wondering, as well, are expert group members encouraged to sign
>     >> up?  Should they be explicitly solicited to join the projects?
>     >>
>     >> Likewise, for the RI projects, how are the initial committers
>     >> gathered?  As a for instance, if I compare the OpenMQ contributor
>     list
>     >> and initial committers:
>     >>
>     >> https://github.com/javaee/openmq/graphs/contributors
>     >> https://projects.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-openmq
>     >>
>     >> They seem to be misaligned.  In other organizations, I recommend new
>     >> projects to limit initial committers to those who are actively
>     working
>     >> on the project, and work on community building to add potential new
>     >> contributors to the project after the fact; typically after they've
>     >> established a level of meritocracy on the project.
>     >>
>     >> John
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