Re: [asciidoc-lang-dev] Whitespace handling

[Sylvain Leroux <sylvain@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> 
>Well there you go, everyone needs to take a deep breath when objecting [...]

Lex, I never meant to be rude.  Sorry if it was the impression I gave.




Le 28 février 2021 11:21:22 GMT+01:00, Lex Trotman <exciidoc@xxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>On Sun, 28 Feb 2021 at 18:17, Dan Allen <dan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> > We need a collective name for the set of spacing characters.
>> "space-like" ?
>>
>> I've given this some thought today and also polled Twitter for some
>> feedback. What I came up with was "spacing character(s)". If we want
>to be
>> purely academic, the definition (from Merriam-Webster) fits extremely
>well:
>>
>> >> the act of providing with spaces or placing at intervals
>>
>> We are talking about the act of spacing visible characters & words
>for the
>> purpose of placing them at intervals (either setting them apart in a
>line
>> or organizing them on separate lines). I don't think we should try to
>> invent a word when there's already one available with a suitable
>definition.
>>
>
>As I noted it needs to be defined, especially for the reason you
>mentioned
>below that only some characters are supported.  So we probably should
>be
>clear it is _Asciidoc's_ definition.  "Asciidoc spacing characters" is
>fine
>by me, if a bit long, but {asc} can fix that :-)
>
>
>
>>
>> Speaking of Unicode, there *is* a property for this group of
>characters.
>> The name of that group is "Space". Try /\p{Space}/ with any regular
>> expression engine that supports Unicode properties to see what it
>matches.
>> However, I think the concern about this term being too easily
>confused with
>> the space character (\u0020) from ASCII / Basic Latin is valid.
>>
>
>I'm not sure which regex engine that is, but the Ecmascript standard
>points
>to Unicode for the regex \p property names, which indeed does have a
>name
>for it, well enough hidden that I didn't find it until I followed the
>link
>from Ecmascript, https://unicode.org/reports/tr44/#White_Space and even
>better hidden aliases "WSpace" and lower case "space" so Unicode is no
>help, we are on our own.
>
>
>>
>> One thing we will need to be careful about, though, is that AsciiDoc
>> doesn't support *all* spacing characters. So we'll just need to
>emphasize
>> that in our definition / usage.
>>
>>
>I wonder if the standard should consider changing that?
>
>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>
>Sylvain:
>
>> > Perhaps "blank space" could be used, but it would need to be
>written down and defined.
>
>> Amusingly enough, from a French-speaking perspective, "blank" is more
>questionable than "white".
>
>Well there you go, everyone needs to take a deep breath when objecting
>to
>things.  Cultural and personal limits of what is objectionable are
>different around the world, even between native English speakers like
>Dan
>and I, let alone other languages and cultures.  Nothing should be
>considered automatically objectionable unless it is written down where
>contributors will easily find it, otherwise the same thing will
>continually
>happen, especially when a term is in conventional usage in the context
>as
>"whitespace" is.  And objections should be raised gently as Dan did in
>his
>PS (so gently I missed his point the first time :-)
>
>Cheers
>Lex
>
>
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