RE: [soa-iwg] ECF and SOA initiative

["Mike Milinkovich" <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Answered somewhat out of order...

> And this does seem to have diverged from the SOA working group in
> particular, so I ask that any further discussion about IWG policy in
> general be moved elsewhere, because I do not wish to have the foundation
> policy WRT working groups conflated with my project lead interest in
> ECF/SOA collaboration.

I guess the point I was trying unsuccessfully to make is that there is no
discussion on IWG policy. It was approved by the Board nine months ago. If
you want to have that board decision revisited I don't see how you do that
without communicating your concerns to your board reps.

I am not trying to be argumentative, or to avoid addressing your concerns.
But I am at a bit of a loss on what else I can recommend to you in hopes of
having your issues addressed.

> I have done this in the past and will continue to do so.  But I also
> know that the committer representatives are not always successful in
> getting the Board to do certain things in representing the committers
> (as per any representatives on a Board that aren't the only interests).

My honest belief is that if you talk to the committer reps that you will
find that they are supportive of industry working groups in terms of both
concept and implementation. This was not a contentious topic. In fact I
recall enthusiasm. But my almost-50 memory could be faulty :-)

> Fine...but they plan, do they not?  Do they create requirements for the
> interested/appropriate projects?  (like, say, ECF wrt SOA).  As I
> haven't been on a undustry working group steering committee so I frankly
> do not know what they do, but the process document would indicate that
> they do plan, create requirements, identify market needs, etc.

FWIW, the process document is a framework. Each IWG's charter is expected to
lay out in more detail what the role of its steering committee will be.
Because of that I would recommend focusing your attention on the charter.

And in the case of requirements (like, say, ECF wrt SOA), unless the
interested players are willing to actually allocate resources to the
projects they are hoping to impact the normal rules of open source apply.
The projects themselves ultimately decides what requirements they address.