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Re: [pdt-dev] Post PDT 3.6 plans

Hi Gossi,

I agree that some concepts were moved from JDT to PDT to straightforward or are to complicated from PHP developer point of view. Build path is a good example:) I'm not regular PHP developer so I'm focusing on different areas and I think it would be great if you can help us with such unclear/over-complicated places.Â

Michal

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Thomas Gossmann <eclipse@xxxxxx> wrote:
Hi guys,

I would like to assist David with the build path dialog. I was heavily involved with this during composer plugin development and know the pitfalls (especially from a Usability/UX perspective).

Talking about Usability/UX. There is much more, even great features, that are easily misunderstand or are overly complicated to achieve (I hit them here and there). A review under these aspect might be very helpful to get to know these pitfalls and should result in documenting guidelines for this, so these concepts could be carried into plugins as well. This would also include a dictionary kind of thing, e.g. what the hell is a build path? there is no such thing as a build path within php. This would be helpful for devs and end users.

Regarding composer: I opened a new thread, just for this.

gossi

Am 21.09.15 um 02:00 schrieb Dawid PakuÅa:
Hi,

+1 for assigns. Too many bugs are closed during cycle.

About composer plugin, as far as I know gossi didn't have a time during
holiday, so for now this topic is dead. We could resurrect it in 3.7.
Gossi?

--
Dawid PakuÅa
+48 795 996 064

On 20 September 2015 at 21:19:21, MichaÅ NiewrzaÅ (michal.n@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:michal.n@xxxxxxxx>) wrote:

> Hi Dawid,
>
> I don't have clear plans at the moment. We are close to Zend Studio
> release and after that it will be easier to make detailed list. But I
> can define areas of my interest:)
> * Finish PHP 7 support (e.g. anonymous elements in Outline, CA for
> grouped use statements, etc.)
> * Finish smart paste/indent optimization (speed and memory consumption)
> * Also performance, but I'm not sure what exactly. For example I don't
> feel comfortable with actual building/indexing model. It is rater
> slow, inefficient and it's consuming a lot of memory:)
> * Things around PHP editor in general
>
> I also think it would be nice if we start assigning bugs in Bugzilla.
> It will give us better info what is going on.
>
> Btw, I remember that there was plan to move Composer plugin to PDT.
> Any news about that?overcomplicated
>
> Michal
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Dawid PakuÅa <zulus@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:zulus@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>Â Â ÂHi,
>
>Â Â Ânew release itâs close to door so I have to ask for your plans.
>
>Â Â ÂFrom my point of view, next version should be at least minor
>  Ârelease (3.7). My personal minimum plan:
>Â Â Â* I want continue performance and consistency optimisation in TI
>Â Â Âand CA - for ex. bug 475525 [1] bug 438087 [2] bug 459947 [3]
>Â Â Â* Merge Include and Build paths views - bug 444226 [4]
>Â Â Â* Introduce extendable âsave-actionsâ - bug 462135 [5]
>Â Â Â* Introduce PDT Help SDK to simplify help updates (like move /
>Â Â Ârename refactoring)
>
>Â Â Â[1] - http://eclip.se/475525
>Â Â Â[2] - http://eclip.se/438087
>Â Â Â[3] - http://eclip.se/459947
>Â Â Â[4] - http://eclip.se/444226
>Â Â Â[5] - http://eclip.se/462135
>
>Â Â ÂBTW: This release will be latest with long (6 months) cycle. Since
>Â Â ÂNeon, three rather than two sub-releases will be published.
>
>Â Â Â--
>Â Â ÂDawid PakuÅa
>Â Â Â+48 795 996 064 <tel:%2B48%20795%20996%20064>
>
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On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Thomas Gossmann <eclipse@xxxxxx> wrote:
Hi guys,

I would like to assist David with the build path dialog. I was heavily involved with this during composer plugin development and know the pitfalls (especially from a Usability/UX perspective).

Talking about Usability/UX. There is much more, even great features, that are easily misunderstand or are overly complicated to achieve (I hit them here and there). A review under these aspect might be very helpful to get to know these pitfalls and should result in documenting guidelines for this, so these concepts could be carried into plugins as well. This would also include a dictionary kind of thing, e.g. what the hell is a build path? there is no such thing as a build path within php. This would be helpful for devs and end users.

Regarding composer: I opened a new thread, just for this.

gossi

Am 21.09.15 um 02:00 schrieb Dawid PakuÅa:
Hi,

+1 for assigns. Too many bugs are closed during cycle.

About composer plugin, as far as I know gossi didn't have a time during
holiday, so for now this topic is dead. We could resurrect it in 3.7.
Gossi?

--
Dawid PakuÅa
+48 795 996 064

On 20 September 2015 at 21:19:21, MichaÅ NiewrzaÅ (michal.n@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:michal.n@xxxxxxxx>) wrote:

> Hi Dawid,
>
> I don't have clear plans at the moment. We are close to Zend Studio
> release and after that it will be easier to make detailed list. But I
> can define areas of my interest:)
> * Finish PHP 7 support (e.g. anonymous elements in Outline, CA for
> grouped use statements, etc.)
> * Finish smart paste/indent optimization (speed and memory consumption)
> * Also performance, but I'm not sure what exactly. For example I don't
> feel comfortable with actual building/indexing model. It is rater
> slow, inefficient and it's consuming a lot of memory:)
> * Things around PHP editor in general
>
> I also think it would be nice if we start assigning bugs in Bugzilla.
> It will give us better info what is going on.
>
> Btw, I remember that there was plan to move Composer plugin to PDT.
> Any news about that?
>
> Michal
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Dawid PakuÅa <zulus@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:zulus@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
>Â Â ÂHi,
>
>Â Â Ânew release itâs close to door so I have to ask for your plans.
>
>Â Â ÂFrom my point of view, next version should be at least minor
>  Ârelease (3.7). My personal minimum plan:
>Â Â Â* I want continue performance and consistency optimisation in TI
>Â Â Âand CA - for ex. bug 475525 [1] bug 438087 [2] bug 459947 [3]
>Â Â Â* Merge Include and Build paths views - bug 444226 [4]
>Â Â Â* Introduce extendable âsave-actionsâ - bug 462135 [5]
>Â Â Â* Introduce PDT Help SDK to simplify help updates (like move /
>Â Â Ârename refactoring)
>
>Â Â Â[1] - http://eclip.se/475525
>Â Â Â[2] - http://eclip.se/438087
>Â Â Â[3] - http://eclip.se/459947
>Â Â Â[4] - http://eclip.se/444226
>Â Â Â[5] - http://eclip.se/462135
>
>Â Â ÂBTW: This release will be latest with long (6 months) cycle. Since
>Â Â ÂNeon, three rather than two sub-releases will be published.
>
>Â Â Â--
>Â Â ÂDawid PakuÅa
>Â Â Â+48 795 996 064 <tel:%2B48%20795%20996%20064>
>
>Â Â Â_______________________________________________
>Â Â Âpdt-dev mailing list
>Â Â Âpdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:pdt-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Â Â ÂTo change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or
>Â Â Âunsubscribe from this list, visit
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>
>
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