Re: [messaging-dev] Jakarta Messaging Update

[Ivar Grimstad <ivar.grimstad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well, that's complicated :)

I don't know about the Apache rules around this, but this is how it is:

If you download the TCK bundle from the link I gave you, it is licensed under the Eclipse Foundation TCK Licence (https://www.eclipse.org/legal/tck.php)

This is the bundle you must use if you claim compatibility.

If you're only going to run it in your CI and not use it for compatibility claims, you can always build it from source, it is then under "Eclipse Public License 2.0 一 (Secondary) GNU General Public License, version 2 with the GNU Classpath Exception". The complicating factor is that the source for the messaging TCK is still in the Platform TCK source, so I assume extracting it and building it yourself is not trivial. There is an ongoing refactoring effort to extract all TCKs to their own repositories, but this is still ongoing.

Hope this helps, and didn't confuse you more :)

Ivar

On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 7:35 PM Matt Pavlovich <mattrpav@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Ivar-

Thanks! I’ll check it out.

Do you know off hand what is the licensing situation? For example, are we able to include it in the Apache ActiveMQ source tree as a unit test to run in CI?

Thanks,

Matt Pavlovich

On Jul 11, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Ivar Grimstad <ivar.grimstad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Matt,

You can download the TCK for Jakarta Messaging 3.1 from this page: https://jakarta.ee/specifications/messaging/3.1/ 

If you're looking for other versions, they're all listed here: https://jakarta.ee/specifications/messaging/

Ivar

Ivar

On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 7:29 PM Matt Pavlovich via messaging-dev <messaging-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

David-

What is the current situation in terms of getting access to the Jakarta Messaging TCK?

That’d be a good next step to get it running against ActiveMQ.

Thanks,
Matt Pavlovich

> On Jul 11, 2023, at 12:07 PM, Matt Pavlovich <mattrpav@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi David-
>
> Sounds good, I agree ActiveMQ is the best place to start =). I am a committer on ActiveMQ and I personally completed most of the JMS 2.0 work and have started the Jakarta conversion =)
>
> To get you current--
>
> 1. ActiveMQ 5.18.x ships w/ JMS 2.0 API and most features completed
>
> 2. ActiveMQ jakarta conversion is about 80% done. We are targeting the fall for a release
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Pavlovich
>
>
>> On Jul 11, 2023, at 11:28 AM, David Blevins <david.blevins@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> There are definitely no shortage of ideas we could implement.  Both JAXB and JSONB are outlined here:
>>
>> - https://github.com/jakartaee/messaging-proposals
>>
>> The real trick is the work on the implementation; the spec can’t go final unless there is an implementation that can pass all the exist and new tck tests.
>>
>> The implementation I’d want to use for anything I’d work on would be ActiveMQ Classic.  It would likely take a year to get it converted from javax to jakarta, implement all of JMS2.0, and get it passing the existing TCK before we could begin work on new spec features.
>>
>> I suspect we’re in the same boat on that one, so maybe next steps would be to kick off a thread or two in ActiveMQ.
>>
>>
>> -David
>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2023, at 9:01 AM, Matt Pavlovich via messaging-dev <messaging-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello-
>>>
>>> There is interest in kicking off discussions for including an update to Jakarta Messaging.
>>>
>>> Key features to consider:
>>>
>>> 1. INDIVIUAL ACK mode
>>> 2. NO ACK mode
>>> 3. Message Conversion API - Ability to convert directly to objects from JSON, JAXB, etc
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Matt Pavlovich
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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