Re: [ide-dev] Ctrl-1 driven development

[Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>]

Cool. Thanks Lars! It¹s good to hear we¹re close.

I also wonder if part of our problem is the lack of ³getting the word out²
about the cool features we do have. I know we have a problem with that in
CDT. We¹ve worked hard on a lot of cool features we¹re sure users would
love but then never tell anyone about them.

I¹m not sure what the right answer would be. The Eclipse help system and
user assistance in general is really poor. But it¹s poor because people
don¹t really learn things that way any more. Our best bet is to probably
make sure the eclipse.org web site is full of information like this.

Anyway, something to think about.
:D

On 2015-10-14, 12:35 PM, "ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Lars
Vogel" <ide-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>Hi Mickael,
>
>I use a lot of IntelliJ / Android Studio with my Android clients. Here
>are the main advantages I personally while using AS.
>
>JDT:
>- IntelliJ provides Substring matching instead of only prefix matching
>for code completion. The Eclipse team plans to enhance the JDT code
>completion in Bug 350000
>- IntelliJ has the postfix completion feature. The Eclipse team plans
>to enhance the JDT code completion in Bug 458804.
>
>XML editing:
>- the XML editor is IntelliJ is simply kickass, if you rename an
>opening tag the closing tag is automatically renamed, if you change a
>tag like <test></test> to <test/> the </test> is automatically remove.
>I do not actively follow the XML editor development so I'm not sure if
>we have a bug report for that. I think Redhat is active in this area,
>maybe you can help with a similar editor?
>
>Other than that the IntelliJ Quickfixes seem very similar to me than
>the ones in Eclipse. Sometimes they just have cooler Quickfixes, like
>the one in https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=318681 which
>awaits review from the JDT team since 2014-05.
>
>Best regards, Lars
>
>On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx>
>wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've spent some times asking former Eclipse RCP developers now
>>converted to
>> the 300$/year IDE on what they thing are the best things that are
>>missing in
>> Eclipse IDE.
>>
>> What they tell first is the quality of the "quick-fixes" in IntelliJ.
>>But
>> when you get into details, what makes the difference isn't really that
>>IJ
>> has editing/refactoring operations that Eclipse IDE doesn't have, but
>>more
>> that IJ shows the useful ones (and only the useful ones) on their
>>Alt+Enter.
>> In Eclipse, a lot of operations are available under Source and Refactor
>> context menu, but it's a lot of menus to browse, it takes a lot of time,
>> mostly requires to use mouse, requires to read a lot of entries that are
>> contextual to the editor but not to the active selection... It's
>> complicated.
>> Eclipse has the very good Ctrl+1 menu, which is basically meant to host
>>such
>> small operations that are in the context of the selection in an editor.
>> Eclipse IDE (precisely JDT UI) already shows a few relevant ones, but
>>some
>> other good ones are missing.
>>
>> So an easy way to improve Eclipse IDE would be to add to the Ctrl+1 the
>> operations that users likes in this very narrow context. If you get
>>such an
>> idea, please report it to JDT/UI and share it. I believe fixing that
>>isn't a
>> too difficult task, with no risk at all, and that it would provide much
>>user
>> satisfaction. It could even be a great topic for a hackathon.
>> I plan to make a more direct comparison of these quick-fixes one day
>>(cannot
>> be more precise, so don't wait for me if you're faster) and to come up
>>with
>> a list of the ones that are missing in Eclipse IDE to make this Ctrl+1
>>so
>> efficent that user won't have to dig in the context-menu and will
>>always get
>> their favorite operation in a few keystrokes.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Mickael Istria
>> Eclipse developer at JBoss, by Red Hat
>> My blog - My Tweets
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