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Re: [hudson-dev] Mobile responsivness

In addition to Foundation and Skeleton mentioned previously, I found another one, Pure <> today.  It offers 1/5-based grid in addition to 1/24-based one, and it is quite small (17 KB minified compared to 120 KB of Bootstrap) while offering common components like tables, menus, buttons, etc.  It looks quite young but it could be more widely used in the future as it is made by Yahoo.  It does not use _javascript_ at all but it can be extended or combined with scripts, and It is licensed under the 3-clause BSD License instead of the MIT as the former ones.  It is provided in several modules and we can use only the modules we need while we can still use all-in-one file (it is still 17 KB).  I like its modular design and small footprint, so I will experiment a small number of page design with it.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 11:39 PM Winston Prakash <winston.prakash@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I know about both Bootstrap and Foundation. I never used Skeleton. In another project, I started out with Foundation. It is an excellent framework. Eventually I switched to Bootstrap because of some issues in Foundation 5 and couldn't find documentation or forum support to resolve them.

- Winston
I searched for other CSS-centric web frameworks than Bootstrap and found Foundation <> and Skeleton <>.

Foundation is similar to Bootstrap in concept and is also licensed by the MIT License.  Its CSS file is a bit larger than Bootstrap but it wouldn't be a big problem IMO.  It seems as widely used as Bootstrap is and it might be an alternative to Bootstrap if we don't need glyphicons at all.

Skeleton, on the other hand, is more primitive and smaller in CSS file size (1/10 even without minimization) but still has grid-based layout responsiveness, and is also licensed by the MIT License.  As it is smaller than Bootstrap or Foundation, It has fewer components but basic HTML elements, and doesn't use _javascript_, either.  If we want to customize our UI heavily, it might be most flexible since it is pure CSS without any preprocessor like Less or Sass.

Finally in regard to mobile usability, Foundation and Skeleton uses larger default line height (160%) than Bootstrap does (140%).  It would make it easier to tap linked text on small devices.  It is one of the good points of the two, I think.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:27 AM Winston Prakash <winston.prakash@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It is a combination of _javascript_ and CSS. _javascript_ is needed only for advanced use. Once you are ready, let me know, I'll explain where to apply the changes. Mean while you might want to read the document I put together several years ago to get an understanding of how Hudson UI is generated.

(both Web/REST and View architectures may be useful)

- Winston
I just learned Bootstrap is mostly implemented in CSS.  It looks very easy to use it in any websites so I will try it myself before experimenting it with Hudson.  Thank you for the helpful information.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:23 PM Kaz Nishimura <kazssym@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
OK, though I am not familiar with Bootstrap at all, I will take a look into it for a long-term solution.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:10 PM Winston Prakash <winston.prakash@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Kaz,

Sure you can work on the short term solution. For long term let us use Bootstrap. Hudson does not use Spring. It has proprietary UI and REST framework. Hudson UI can accommodate third party Layout framework like Bootstrap.



I am just thinking of a short-term solution yet. For a long-term solution, I am not sure which framework is good for future versions of Hudson.

If Hudson is already using the Spring framework, I think Spring Mobile <> might have less impact on the current structure. Anyway, I must start from studying the current Hudson codebase.

2015年8月11日(火) 2:00 Winston Prakash <winston.prakash@xxxxxxxxx>:
Hi Kaz,

Excellent. For some time I've been debating about changing Hudson page layout to Bootstrap 3, which if done correctly will automatically take care of mobile usability. Do you have any framework in mind?. Otherwise I will highly recommend to use Bootstrap.

I'll create a branch for you.

- Winston

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