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RE: [] RE: Eclipse ProjectAnnouncementandProject Review Schedule

This whole thing goes against everything we've been preaching about
openness, transparency, and diversity.

Doug S.

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[] On Behalf Of
Oberhuber, Martin
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: [] RE: Eclipse
ProjectAnnouncementandProject Review Schedule

> - Nobody likes processing Bugzilla bugs.  But it's the way you

Well, I do like Bugzilla a lot, but that's after having had to use other
bug tracking systems... well anyways, perhaps your statement explains

  * The "Create the Eclipse 4.0 Plan" bugzilla item felt
    a bit like a black hole of ideas and suggestions at
    times, but no real community discussion:

  * There are some long-running well known Eclipse bugs
    with great suggestions from the community but no 
    real progress:

And as Doug Gaff has pointed out, there are people with a proven record
of patches available... but nobody has asked them so far...

Anyways, what really surprised me about today's announcement of an E4
component with initial committer list, was that it looks like quite some
discussions (and rumors even have it even some prototyping!) has been
happening for Eclipse 4.0 without the slightest community involvement.

Not even the Architecture Council has been involved in the slightes way
with these things (at least not that I'm aware of it).

Let's make sure this gets better! I'm eager to learn what's already been
baking, and I'd certainly be looking forward to commit my time and
energy into it. 

Let's hear what the current status and thoughts are.
I'm very much looking forward to EclipseCon, but perhaps some hints
could even be published in advance?

Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River Target
Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
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