> Clearly, we have a perception problem.
Indeed
> I'm not convinced that the data
supports your position: there was plenty
> of content at EclipseCon focused on
the desktop IDE and related projects.
> Including two of my talks and at
least one of the keynotes.
It’s not my position. I am conveying what
I heard from the marketing department when I asked why
Oracle wasn’t sponsoring this year’s EclipseCon. At dev
level, I can tell you that many here have given up on
submitting talk proposals because talks focused on
traditional desktop IDE areas have not been getting accepted
in the last few years.
> The "next generation" messaging is
not coming from the Eclipse Foundation,
> it's coming from the Che project. I
understand that this distinction may be lost
> on the greater community.
Are you saying that Eclipse Foundation is
not able to exert influence over a member project to stop
this harmful messaging?
Thanks,
- Konstantin
All of our efforts around FEEP are
concerned with putting energy into the desktop IDE. Moving
Mikael into the development position is also concerned
exclusively with the desktop IDE. The Eclipse Foundation has
never employed developers before. Our first development
effort contracts and hire are exclusively concerned with
addressing long standing issues with the desktop IDE.
Clearly, we have a perception problem.
I'm not convinced that the data supports your position:
there was plenty of content at EclipseCon focused on the
desktop IDE and related projects. Including two of my talks
and at least one of the keynotes.
The "next generation" messaging is not coming from the
Eclipse Foundation, it's coming from the Che project. I
understand that this distinction may be lost on the greater
community.
Again, we have an opportunity with the press attention on
Che to steal some of that attention for the desktop IDE.
What are we going to do about it?
Wayne
On 15/03/16 12:24 PM, Konstantin
Komissarchik wrote:
I see Che’s messaging as a serious issue.
To a lay person, the fact that this message is coming from
an Eclipse Foundation project lends it authority. Many
wouldn’t understand that this is just another project trying
something new rather than the official path forward endorsed
by the community bringing them the current Eclipse IDE.
More broadly, it seems to me that Eclipse
Foundation is focusing primarily on new initiatives outside
of desktop IDE space these days. Oracle’s marketing
department did not sponsor this past EclipseCon because the
content has been less and less relevant to desktop IDE
space, which is our main reason for involvement.
Thanks,
- Konstantin
Che is giving us some visibility. How
do we leverage this? How do we encourage people who are
looking at Che to maybe give the desktop IDE a fresh look?
Wayne
On 15/03/16 05:12 AM, Eike
Stepper wrote:
Am 14.03.2016 um 21:03 schrieb
Doug Schaefer:
Oh, and our discussion on
Che and the impact calling it the "Next Generation
Eclipse IDE" has on the existing IDE and community was
really good too :).
So can we do something to make the situation better for
us?
I googled https://www.google.de/search?q=%22Next+Generation+Eclipse+IDE%22&oq=%22Next+Generation+Eclipse+IDE%22&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8
and they seem to like this term a lot ;-(
Cheers
/Eike
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