Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Next Meeting?

[Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

All of our efforts around FEEP are concerned with putting energy into the desktop IDE. Moving Mikael into the development position is also concerned exclusively with the desktop IDE. The Eclipse Foundation has never employed developers before. Our first development effort contracts and hire are exclusively concerned with addressing long standing issues with the desktop IDE. Clearly, we have a perception problem.

I'm not convinced that the data supports your position: there was plenty of content at EclipseCon focused on the desktop IDE and related projects. Including two of my talks and at least one of the keynotes.

The "next generation" messaging is not coming from the Eclipse Foundation, it's coming from the Che project. I understand that this distinction may be lost on the greater community.

Again, we have an opportunity with the press attention on Che to steal some of that attention for the desktop IDE. What are we going to do about it?

Wayne

On 15/03/16 12:24 PM, Konstantin Komissarchik wrote:

I see Che’s messaging as a serious issue. To a lay person, the fact that this message is coming from an Eclipse Foundation project lends it authority. Many wouldn’t understand that this is just another project trying something new rather than the official path forward endorsed by the community bringing them the current Eclipse IDE.

 

More broadly, it seems to me that Eclipse Foundation is focusing primarily on new initiatives outside of desktop IDE space these days. Oracle’s marketing department did not sponsor this past EclipseCon because the content has been less and less relevant to desktop IDE space, which is our main reason for involvement.

 

Thanks,

 

- Konstantin

 

 

From: Wayne Beaton
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 8:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [eclipse.org-architecture-council] Next Meeting?

 

Che is giving us some visibility. How do we leverage this? How do we encourage people who are looking at Che to maybe give the desktop IDE a fresh look?

Wayne

On 15/03/16 05:12 AM, Eike Stepper wrote:

Am 14.03.2016 um 21:03 schrieb Doug Schaefer:

Oh, and our discussion on Che and the impact calling it the "Next Generation Eclipse IDE" has on the existing IDE and community was really good too :).

So can we do something to make the situation better for us?

I googled https://www.google.de/search?q=%22Next+Generation+Eclipse+IDE%22&oq=%22Next+Generation+Eclipse+IDE%22&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 and they seem to like this term a lot ;-(

Cheers
/Eike

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