[eclipse.org-architecture-council] [Bug 250320] Create a medium for disc

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https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=250320  
Product/Component: Community / Architecture Council

Martin Oberhuber <martin.oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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          Component|MailingLists                |Architecture Council
            Summary|Create an eclipse.org-      |Create a medium for
                   |committers-announce mailing |discussions among all
                   |list                        |committers




--- Comment #5 from Martin Oberhuber <martin.oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>  2008-10-10 04:26:35 -0400 ---
Ok, let's try to get this right. Apparently this is a sensitive topic ;-)
So here's the facts:

1.) I didn't want to prescribe anything by opening this bug. The bug contains
    my personal suggestion, and effort to get things going rather than 
    discussing them forever. We need a good all-committer discussion forum,
    and we need it soon.

2.) We did (very briefly) discuss this at the AC phone meeting. But given that
    we didn't have an official vote at the AC, those people who were not able 
    to join the phone meeting could not participate. So this isn't "official"
    yet.

3.) With over 900 committers we'll certainly step on somebody's toe. We have
    some Web poll (nice!) and some opinions. How far do we need to go with
    "official process"? In other words, how much effort is it worth putting
into
    searching the ultimate solution?

I'm personally fine with any solution that creates a facility for ALL
committers to ask questions and discuss things that matter to them. Such a
facility is badly missing right now. I strongly believe that there are matters
which need discussion among all committers.

Now the question of the right technical medium depends a bit on the amount and
type of communications that we anticipate. Let's look at producer/consumer:

  * Producer: People who post something to this medium want to reach ALL 
    committers, and want so for some reason (because they don't find any other 
    medium where they think they find the right audience). They'll not be
    happy if some of the intended audience opt-out. We can expect committers
    to be well-behaved enough not to spam everyone with totally off-topic
    non-information.

  * Consumer: ML subscribers find themselves mail-bombed. They want to look
    at those discussions on an as-time-permits basis, and not be forced to
    look at it.

I personally don't think that the technical solution matters a lot, because we
have E-Mail filters / Mail archives / RSS interfaces etc to the ML all in
place. That's why I stepped forward making the original request, but I
acknowledge that not everyone is on that page. I'm only a bit inclined against
newsgroups, but that's perhaps just since my newsreader (Thunderbird) sucks and
I want all information in ONE tool (Outlook for me) rather than separate tools
for separate information media.

So, how to proceed?

1.) In the interest of giving everyone chance to express their opinion, let's
    keep this bug open 1 week for discussion, before we take action.
2.) Since people are happy with the current list for announcements, let's 
    keep it as-is and search for a new medium to cover the new thing.
3.) Discussion is open for suggestions what the right medium for all-
    committer-discussions is.

I'm changing the summary to reflect the new strategy -- previous was:
Create an eclipse.org-committers-announce mailing list


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