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Re: [ecf-dev] Discussion: Mars simultaneous release participation

On 11/13/2014 5:31 AM, Wim Jongman wrote:

Given 1 and 2, for me to agree to ECF's participation in Mars, it will take some specific commitments of resources...from committers, contributors, members, or someone in addition to myself.   That's what I'm looking for before Dec 12:  some commitment that someone is willing to provide enough resources to make possible our continued participation in the simultaneous release.

>It is hard to write a blank cheque if you cannot indicate what needs to be done.

I've never asked for a blank check.   What I'm asking for is **some commitment to the needs of the project**.   If we participate in Mars, then I will (of course) contribute a significant chunk of my time to meeting the SR needs/requirements, along with doing other things.

If you can be concrete like: I need 5 hours for this and 10 hours for that then I can commit to a certain effort and plan my life around unatetirt.

Unfortunately, it doesn't work like that.   I can't say in advance exactly how long each task will take, because in many cases (e.g. satisfying IP Documentation and Logs) it depends upon a number of 'known unknowns' (e.g. how many CQs we file, or how many code contributions are made by committers or contributors, or how much work the Tycho releng conversion work entails, etc.).  All very difficult to predict precisely at this point.

Since you have been doing this already for a few years I think you should be able to write down the process.

Yeah I have been doing it for a few years.  Sure I could write down everything I've been doing, but unless there are others to assist there's no point in me writing things down...as the process, requirements, and schedule for SR are very well documented already.   Here's the process overview [1].  Here are the 'must dos' [2].  Here is the Mars plan and schedule [3]. 

I have created a wiki here to get us started [1] to formalize the process. all actions, responsibilities and deadlines should be marked here

[1] https://wiki.eclipse.org/ECF/SimRel/Mars

How about this?

This is fine/good, thanks.   I will add actions (and detail existing ones) that are not yet present in this table.

To clarify:   Wim and Harshana (committers) apparently feel that

1) It's worth it for ECF to participate in Mars (question 1)
2) Wim and Harshana (and I) are able and willing to contribute to the associated work to participate (thanks for that commitment)

Before seeking other commitments and details and coordination on 2, are there any comments about the general importance of 1?


[1] http://wiki.eclipse.org/SimRel/Overview
[2] http://eclipse.org/indigo/planning/EclipseSimultaneousRelease.php
[3] http://wiki.eclipse.org/Mars/Simultaneous_Release_Plan