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Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Eierlegende Wollmilchsau

Hi,

 

Regarding âYou should have heard what the UX designers we were working with though of the current Eclipse look and feel (a bunch of crazy Swedes from Malmo :) ). They insisted that all images should be no smaller than 32 pixel and all icons that you hardly use should be removed.â

 

Holy shit yes, this! Whatâs making these icons stand out isnât that theyâre so much bigger than everything else, no, they arenât that really that big. And it isnât that the colors are more saturated than what their old counterparts are using, no, their colors are actually a little bit less saturated. What is making them stand out is that their design is clean and theyâre uncluttered, making them familiar and instantly recognizable to programmers, but above all of that what really sets them apart is that you can actually see which color shade they are using!

 

(â Just try that with the good old Run icon. Is it dark green, marble green, green topaz, polished green plastic, emerald..? I still like that icon, donât get me wrong, I actually think that oneâs one of the few which have a chance to survive into the future.)

 

So, I think youâre on the right path and future will prove it right. Maybe as soon as Eclipse gets freely adjustable zoom levels anywhere in the 75%-400% level range. Trying to make the new versions of the icons at 64x64 pixels have as much fine detail as in the 16x16 version just isnât going to scale.





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Timo

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From: Doug Schaefer
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 23:05
To: Cross project issues
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Eierlegende Wollmilchsau

 

 

 

From: <cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Organization: The Eclipse Foundation
Reply-To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 at 4:44 PM
To: "cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx" <cross-project-issues-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Eierlegende Wollmilchsau

 

Is maybe the first step to make it look and act like everything that's already on the tool bar?

 

The New Connection is what it would look like and -1 to that.

 

The issue is that youâre showing 16 pixel high images and text in a combo boxes. You need at least two pixels of margin to make that look good plus the border giving you 22 pixels high, right now thereâs 5 pixels of margin height giving us more like 28 pixels. Given that buttons are 32 pixels square, itâs a little unbalanced as it is. But you canât really have the buttons smaller than the combos. That would look dumb.

 



Frankly, I like the idea of pushing the metaphors that we use and challenging look and feel assumptions. I actually quite like the look of the Launch Bar. It does, however, stand out like a sore thumb.

 

You should have heard what the UX designers we were working with though of the current Eclipse look and feel (a bunch of crazy Swedes from Malmo :) ). They insisted that all images should be no smaller than 32 pixel and all icons that you hardly use should be removed. Weâve already toned down the original design. If you get a chance, take a look at the first BlackBerry Momentics IDE that the launch bar appeared in. When our product manager first showed it at a dev conference, one of the audience members came up after and gave him a hug thanking him for all the great work weâve done to make it easier to use. You know youâre doing something right when that happens.

 



The buttons need to be reactive.

 

Yup, I thereâs a bug open on that already.

 



Wayne

On 09/12/15 04:32 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:

It would be good to show it off and maybe itÂll
spark in someone a way to make it not look like crap.

 

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