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Hi!!I am new in this development!I need help!!I have to see the tables that are in a Workflow of uDig! I downloaded the open source and I have to make sure that when I click on Plan -> Add me bait Plan as well as mySql, Postgres etc. another software, I click on this software and I get a wizard that makes me choose a WORKFLOW select it and come out the various tables that contain workflow! once you select the table I must render of uDig! How do I do this? you help me?Thanks!
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3. Re: uDig at location meeting and assorted other admin stuff
(Jody Garnett)
4. Re: uDig at location meeting (Jody Garnett)
5. Re: uDig at location meeting and assorted other admin stuff
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:00:16 +0200
From: andrea antonello <andrea.antonello@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [udig-devel] uDig at location meeting
To: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS
<udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
>
> Aside: GeoScript was also mentioned in the location working group meeting.
> This is a technology that has been sitting on the back burner here on
> udig-devel for far too long. If anyone wants a really nifty integration it
> has my vote :-)
>
> (GeoScript offers something like a "geotools lite" scripting target with
> bindings for JavaScript, Ruby, Scala etc?)
>
You are aware that the scripting used by the spatial toolbox also supports
geoscript groovy?
And that we made a uDig Console prototype that supports also geoscript
scripting? (we then never got a fund to develop it further
http://code.google.com/p/jgrasstools/wiki/JConsole ).
Lot's of stuff is there :)
Andrea
>
> Jody
>
> _______________________________________________
> User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS (uDig)
> http://udig.refractions.net
> http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel
>
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:02:18 +0200
From: Marco Foi <foimarco@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [udig-devel] gsoc 2012 (andrea antonello)
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I am in the same timezone as Andrea: GMT +1 (Rome)
I am sending Jody Skype nikname in private mail.
Marco
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:13:11 +1000
From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [udig-devel] uDig at location meeting and assorted other
admin stuff
To: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS
<udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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TLDR: Copyright and license are fine. We are trying to phone Refractions to be poliet.
> For me the first *MANDATORY* step was to get the copyright issues solved with Refractions. Without that it would make no sense to start.
Not sure how much of that issue is; normally with a license like LGPL or EPL we can copy the code and track the (c) history in the headers. Further work (and the version 1.0 codebase) would say something along the lines of
/*******************************************************************************
* Copyright (c) 2012 Eclipse Foundation and others.
*
* All rights reserved. This program and the accompanying materials
* are made available under the terms of the Eclipse Public License v1.0
* which accompanies this distribution, and is available at
* http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html
*
* Contributors:
* Eclipse Foundation - javadoc and api review
* Jody Garnett - Bug 12342 Slow start up on Mac OSX
* Refractions Research - initial API and implementation
*******************************************************************************/
Translating the above (you read it in reverse order):
- the class was initially defined by Refraction Research
- Jody fixed a bug (this is an example of how you can track contributors on patch by patch basis without asking them to sign a contribution agreement required for adhoc commit access)
- Eclipse Foundation (that would be us acting as part of the eclipse foundation) would do a javadoc and header check locking down as many public methods as we could
- the license the file is being provided to the current user looking at the file is EPL. The fact that Refractions currently provides it under LGPL does not really enter into it as the license is compatible in that respect LGPL --> EPL.
If you are curious the "and others" would include Refractions. I am used to the style of listing all (c) holders; but could not quickly find an eclipse example were this was done - they seem to have a "Contributors" section in the header instead.
This is the style GeoTools and GeoServer use resulting in a header like the following:
* Copyright (c) 2012 Eclipse Foundation and others.
* Copyright ? 2004-2012 Refractions Research
Aside: I can find a few examples of this in the BIRT documentation referencing the original "Actuate" project; since these are in screen snaps they may of just escaped the review process - or perhaps it is a valid option to credit previous contributors.
> If I am not mistaken until today no step forward has been done on this side, so I am just wondering why we are moving on? Are things happening behind the scenes?
Nope. While I would like to talk to Refractions to keep them in the loop -
1) The project is open source (under an LGPL license). The resulting "new" project would using the source code as a cut-and-paste starting point and be available under the Eclipse Foundation under an EPL license.
2) We are running the project as PMC and need to take the long term health of uDig into account. We have looked into joining the Eclipse Foundation for a number of years - and now with the formation of the location working group the timing seems to be advantageous.
So while Refractions is not a sticking point; the more interesting (and possibly untraceable) problem is that of our use of LGPL libraries (JTS and GeoTools). As such we need to negotiate an exception as part of our eclipse incubation process.
I hope the difference between license, copyright and simple Canadian polietness clear in the above email.
We would like to talk to Refractions to be polite - but if they don't return our call so be it (I have not been motivated enough to match their business hours and call long distance - but I can if you like). Ideally I wanted to set up a conference call with Andrew as he know more of this stuff then me.
Jody
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:15:09 +1000
From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [udig-devel] uDig at location meeting
To: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS
<udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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So you have a running start - go go!
(Or rather lets find someone to pay you)
--
Jody Garnett
On Thursday, 26 April 2012 at 6:00 PM, andrea antonello wrote:
> >
> > Aside: GeoScript was also mentioned in the location working group meeting. This is a technology that has been sitting on the back burner here on udig-devel for far too long. If anyone wants a really nifty integration it has my vote :-)
> >
> > (GeoScript offers something like a "geotools lite" scripting target with bindings for JavaScript, Ruby, Scala etc?)
>
> You are aware that the scripting used by the spatial toolbox also supports geoscript groovy?
> And that we made a uDig Console prototype that supports also geoscript scripting? (we then never got a fund to develop it further http://code.google.com/p/jgrasstools/wiki/JConsole ).
>
> Lot's of stuff is there :)
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Jody
> > _______________________________________________
> > User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS (uDig)
> > http://udig.refractions.net
> > http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS (uDig)
> http://udig.refractions.net
> http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel
>
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:13:37 -0400
From: Andrew Ross <andrew.ross@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [udig-devel] uDig at location meeting and assorted other
admin stuff
To: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS
<udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi Jody, Emily, Everyone
Please forgive me for top-posting. This update didn't fit in any one
specific point in the thread but was relevant to the discussion.
Things are going extremely well for the Location industry working group
(IWG) formation. In May, the Location IWG will be presented to the
Eclipse Foundation board. If the plan is approved including the details
re: a distinct name/brand/logo for our Location group, we'll have what
we need to proceed.
Regarding licensing, the way the IWG is structured will let us
re-distribute LGPL components such as Geotools for example. It is our
hope that LGPL be the exception rather than the norm (i.e. EPL, MIT,
BSD) since there are clauses in the LGPL that trigger more than a few
companies to prohibit re-use of LGPL components including key
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:00:16 +0200
> From: andrea antonello <andrea.antonello@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:andrea.antonello@xxxxxxxxx)>
> Subject: Re: [udig-devel] uDig at location meeting
> To: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS
> <udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)>
> Message-ID:
> <CACck5jOxp_Ve4s-DSaJ3Czw8UYtbiUmE_gjB1KCzR6WFTe9v2w@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:CACck5jOxp_Ve4s-DSaJ3Czw8UYtbiUmE_gjB1KCzR6WFTe9v2w@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> >
> >
> > Aside: GeoScript was also mentioned in the location working group meeting.
> > This is a technology that has been sitting on the back burner here on
> > udig-devel for far too long. If anyone wants a really nifty integration it
> > has my vote :-)
> >
> > (GeoScript offers something like a "geotools lite" scripting target with
> > bindings for JavaScript, Ruby, Scala etc?)
> >
>
> You are aware that the scripting used by the spatial toolbox also supports
> geoscript groovy?
> And that we made a uDig Console prototype that supports also geoscript
> scripting? (we then never got a fund to develop it further
> http://code.google.com/p/jgrasstools/wiki/JConsole ).
>
> Lot's of stuff is there :)
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Jody
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS (uDig)
> > http://udig.refractions.net
> > http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel
> >
> >
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> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:02:18 +0200
> From: Marco Foi <foimarco@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:foimarco@xxxxxxxxx)>
> Subject: Re: [udig-devel] gsoc 2012 (andrea antonello)
> To: udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
> Message-ID:
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> I am in the same timezone as Andrea: GMT +1 (Rome)
>
> I am sending Jody Skype nikname in private mail.
>
> Marco
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:13:11 +1000
> From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx)>
> Subject: Re: [udig-devel] uDig at location meeting and assorted other
> admin stuff
> To: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS
> <udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)>
> Message-ID: <30127308317348B398E6A7C24A36C923@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:30127308317348B398E6A7C24A36C923@xxxxxxxxx)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> TLDR: Copyright and license are fine. We are trying to phone Refractions to be poliet.
> > For me the first *MANDATORY* step was to get the copyright issues solved with Refractions. Without that it would make no sense to start.
> Not sure how much of that issue is; normally with a license like LGPL or EPL we can copy the code and track the (c) history in the headers. Further work (and the version 1.0 codebase) would say something along the lines of
>
> /*******************************************************************************
> * Copyright (c) 2012 Eclipse Foundation and others.
> *
> * All rights reserved. This program and the accompanying materials
> * are made available under the terms of the Eclipse Public License v1.0
> * which accompanies this distribution, and is available at
> * http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html
> *
> * Contributors:
> * Eclipse Foundation - javadoc and api review
> * Jody Garnett - Bug 12342 Slow start up on Mac OSX
>
> * Refractions Research - initial API and implementation
> *******************************************************************************/
>
>
> Translating the above (you read it in reverse order):
> - the class was initially defined by Refraction Research
> - Jody fixed a bug (this is an example of how you can track contributors on patch by patch basis without asking them to sign a contribution agreement required for adhoc commit access)
> - Eclipse Foundation (that would be us acting as part of the eclipse foundation) would do a javadoc and header check locking down as many public methods as we could
> - the license the file is being provided to the current user looking at the file is EPL. The fact that Refractions currently provides it under LGPL does not really enter into it as the license is compatible in that respect LGPL --> EPL.
>
> If you are curious the "and others" would include Refractions. I am used to the style of listing all (c) holders; but could not quickly find an eclipse example were this was done - they seem to have a "Contributors" section in the header instead.
>
> This is the style GeoTools and GeoServer use resulting in a header like the following:
>
> * Copyright (c) 2012 Eclipse Foundation and others.
> * Copyright ? 2004-2012 Refractions Research
>
> Aside: I can find a few examples of this in the BIRT documentation referencing the original "Actuate" project; since these are in screen snaps they may of just escaped the review process - or perhaps it is a valid option to credit previous contributors.
> > If I am not mistaken until today no step forward has been done on this side, so I am just wondering why we are moving on? Are things happening behind the scenes?
> Nope. While I would like to talk to Refractions to keep them in the loop -
>
> 1) The project is open source (under an LGPL license). The resulting "new" project would using the source code as a cut-and-paste starting point and be available under the Eclipse Foundation under an EPL license.
> 2) We are running the project as PMC and need to take the long term health of uDig into account. We have looked into joining the Eclipse Foundation for a number of years - and now with the formation of the location working group the timing seems to be advantageous.
>
> So while Refractions is not a sticking point; the more interesting (and possibly untraceable) problem is that of our use of LGPL libraries (JTS and GeoTools). As such we need to negotiate an exception as part of our eclipse incubation process.
>
> I hope the difference between license, copyright and simple Canadian polietness clear in the above email.
>
> We would like to talk to Refractions to be polite - but if they don't return our call so be it (I have not been motivated enough to match their business hours and call long distance - but I can if you like). Ideally I wanted to set up a conference call with Andrew as he know more of this stuff then me.
>
> Jody
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:15:09 +1000
> From: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx)>
> Subject: Re: [udig-devel] uDig at location meeting
> To: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS
> <udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)>
> Message-ID: <904C3146BE9F40FCB6C710D18EB36365@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:904C3146BE9F40FCB6C710D18EB36365@xxxxxxxxx)>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> So you have a running start - go go!
>
> (Or rather lets find someone to pay you)
>
> --
> Jody Garnett
>
>
> On Thursday, 26 April 2012 at 6:00 PM, andrea antonello wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Aside: GeoScript was also mentioned in the location working group meeting. This is a technology that has been sitting on the back burner here on udig-devel for far too long. If anyone wants a really nifty integration it has my vote :-)
> > >
> > > (GeoScript offers something like a "geotools lite" scripting target with bindings for JavaScript, Ruby, Scala etc?)
> >
> > You are aware that the scripting used by the spatial toolbox also supports geoscript groovy?
> > And that we made a uDig Console prototype that supports also geoscript scripting? (we then never got a fund to develop it further http://code.google.com/p/jgrasstools/wiki/JConsole ).
> >
> > Lot's of stuff is there :)
> >
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Jody
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS (uDig)
> > > http://udig.refractions.net
> > > http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS (uDig)
> > http://udig.refractions.net
> > http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel
> >
> >
>
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> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:13:37 -0400
> From: Andrew Ross <andrew.ross@xxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:andrew.ross@xxxxxxxxxxx)>
> Subject: Re: [udig-devel] uDig at location meeting and assorted other
> admin stuff
> To: Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx (mailto:jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx)>
> Cc: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS
> <udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:udig-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)>
> Message-ID: <4F995811.7030101@xxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:4F995811.7030101@xxxxxxxxxxx)>
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>
> Hi Jody, Emily, Everyone
>
> Please forgive me for top-posting. This update didn't fit in any one
> specific point in the thread but was relevant to the discussion.
>
> Things are going extremely well for the Location industry working group
> (IWG) formation. In May, the Location IWG will be presented to the
> Eclipse Foundation board. If the plan is approved including the details
> re: a distinct name/brand/logo for our Location group, we'll have what
> we need to proceed.
>
> Regarding licensing, the way the IWG is structured will let us
> re-distribute LGPL components such as Geotools for example. It is our
> hope that LGPL be the exception rather than the norm (i.e. EPL, MIT,
> BSD) since there are clauses in the LGPL that trigger more than a few
> companies to prohibit re-use of LGPL components including key
> participating members.
>
> On the company side of things there are roughly 20 organizations
> participating already. This list is growing significantly each meeting
> which is nice to see. A handful of companies have already committed to
> launch the group. A few more may join between now and the launch. Of the
> initial group, Oracle & IBM have tentatively agreed to provide the
> inaugural co-chairs for the group.
>
> All of this is a long winded say that we're now ready to push ahead and
> start the work to bring uDig to this exciting new forge & group.
>
> If you're interested in more information, our temporary landing page is
> here: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Location
>
> I would be thrilled to talk to anyone who's interested in hosting a
> project in this facility or talking about how participation in this IWG
> can benefit their organization.
>
> Andrew
>
> p.s. As Jody noted, many of us have been involved with OSGeo for some
> time. I'm happy to report we've been having constructive conversations
> with members of the OSGeo board about how we can collaborate. For what
> it's worth, we're also talking with OpenStreetMap, Ushahidi, and many
> other organizations about similar synergies.
>
>
> On 04/25/2012 10:24 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> > TLDR: Jody is alive. We have some organisation here
> > <http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display/UDIG/Eclipse+Foundation> and
> > a bit of work to do (but the Eclipse Foundation seems to be ready to
> > help out on the hard part). Please join the Eclipse Location Working
> > group (even if just to lurk).
> >
> > Jody
> >>>> Still the question holds: who is going to start the process of getting
> >>>> uDig to eclipse. I think we would need to have at least a couple of
> >>>> members of the communtiy to assure presence and contribution. Did I
> >>>> loose another email thread?
> > Perhaps - We did start the process in December :-) However it is going
> > a bit slow as we need to ask eclipse to be comfortable with us using
> > LGPL license libraries (JTS and GeoTools). We can probably get an
> > exception for that by demonstrating how valuable they are and that we
> > don't have the capacity to rewrite them?
> >
> > Other then that I think we are waiting to hear back from Andrew and
> > Andrew is waiting to hear back from us.
> >
> > I am keen to start :-) As such I would like to fill in our RFC and get
> > a good list of tasks going to capture the work involved so we can
> > start to round up resources.
> >
> > The page is here (is this what you missed?):
> > - http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display/UDIG/Eclipse+Foundation
> >
> > On a separate topic - I would like to see uDig taking part in the
> > eclipse "location" working group; however to date all the meetings
> > have been at 3am for me. I would like to ask that someone else from
> > the uDig community attend these (or we can ask Andrew to hold two
> > meetings and cary the minuets over between them).
> >
> > Andrew has a bit of a balancing act as representative of both Eclipse
> > and OSGeo Foundations. To be fair so do I since I the OSGeo incubation
> > chair. We can muddle along; but just a reminder to play nice as we all
> > have the same goals.
> >
> > We have also failed to contact Refractions (although we have asked
> > Emily to check in with Refractions Management). Andrew you may wish to
> > use Emily as a useful Refractions contact until we can arrange a
> > better introduction - she is CCed on this email.
> >
> > Other things in the mix:
> > - I would not mind changing the uDig license to EPL 1.0 to simplify
> > our license story. Our reasons for not using the license were only
> > based on the popularity of LGPL at the time (and the eclipse common
> > license at the time was not yet established as a viable investment
> > target).
> > - We have a smooth working relationship with GeoTools (a policy of
> > copying code over when possible to share. We would need to amend this
> > to cover a license transition from EPL->LGPL perhaps a formal letter
> > in our docs would work. GeoServer has a similar arrangement (ask on
> > the email list and get approval) for the much harder GPL->LGPL
> > transition so we have working policy model to crib from.
> > - We are getting very fond of git; and github in particular. While I
> > don't mind continuing to persue github pages I would like to focus on
> > static content hosting; so we can take our docs with us and not get
> > tied into their fun little content theme scrubber thing. Eclipse now
> > has some procedures in place with respect to git. While github
> > documentation has been a key success factor for the project - that
> > limit is less damaging as git becomes the defacto technology. More
> > damaging is the "if it is not on github the project must be canceled"
> > attitude that has already caused trouble for GeoTools and GeoServer :-)
> >> Sure everybody can join. I am not afraid of the fact that too many
> >> people would help. It is the other way round :)
> >> So if such a process is started, I think there should be a minimum
> >> number of developers that donate time to that process. Else I am just
> >> wondering who would do the work.
> > I am very keen; I want to talk with Andrew and determine how much work
> > there is and boil it down into tasks before asking the project to
> > accept the RFC proposal.
> >> This thought comes from the fact that when uDig needs to be released
> >> and tested, very very few people are around.
> > The automated maven / tycho build is helping a lot with this :-)
> > Indeed I think that is one of the most amazing things the Eclipse
> > Foundation has done recently.
> >
> > I would like some help on the release cycle front - as it cuts out my
> > time to work on QA and new ideas.
> >> Well, the move towards
> >> eclipse looks way bigger to me than that, and without some
> >> coordination I am just wondering how that should work?
> > We have a small bit of coordination already started; thus far there
> > have been only two "common" concerns.
> > - After being on the incubation committee I was concerned about the
> > review processing being a lot of work - strangely enough this appears
> > to be the part where the eclipse foundation is ready to step in and
> > help (yay!)
> > - The eclipse foundation has a "1.0 release" from a fresh codebase
> > policy which apparently is often a cause of contention. Since we lost
> > our history moving to gitourious we are rather relaxed about this one.
> >
> > Jody
>
>
> --
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I am having a hard time understanding your question=21=
</div><div><br></div><div>Walkthrough 1 and Walkthrough 2=
cover how to use uDig following step by step instructions. Perhaps if yo=
u go through them you will be able to answer your question.</div><div><br=
></div><div><span>You can use uDig to display any tables that contain geo=
metry in </span>PostgreSQL<span>. In order to add geometry to tables=
in PostgreSQL you will need to install the =22PostGIS=22 extension into =
your database.</span></div>
<div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Jody Garnett<=
br></div><div><br></div></div>
=20
<p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>On =46riday, 27 April =
2012 at 8:26 PM, alessandra.baccari=40virgilio.it wrote:</p>
<blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 style=3D=22border-left-styl=
e:solid;border-width:1px;margin-left:0px;padding-left:10px;=22>
<span><div><div><span style=3D=22font-family: Helveti=
ca, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; text-align: le=
ft; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 215); =22>Hi=21=21I am new in this de=
velopment=21I need help=21=21I have to see the tables that are in a Workf=
low of uDig=21 I downloaded the open source and I have to make sure that =
when I click on Plan -> Add me bait Plan as well as mySql, Postgres et=
c. another software, I click on this software and I get a wizard that mak=
es me choose a WORK=46LOW select it and come out the various tables that =
contain workflow=21 once you select the table I must render of uDig=21 Ho=
w do I do this=3F you help me=3FThanks=21</span> <br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>
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l, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Da: <a h=
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request=40lists.refractions.net</a></span></font><br><font face=3D=22taho=
ma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>=
Data: 26-apr-2012 16.11</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, h=
elvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>A: <<a hr=
ef=3D=22mailto:udig-devel=40lists.refractions.net=22>udig-devel=40lists.r=
efractions.net</a>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, he=
lvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Ogg: udig-dev=
el Digest, Vol 104, Issue 38</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma,=
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vel</a></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-s=
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et=22>udig-devel-owner=40lists.refractions.net</a></span></font><br><br><=
font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22f=
ont-size: 12px;=22>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is =
more specific</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>than =22Re: Contents o=
f udig-devel digest...=22</span></font><br><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma=
, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>To=
day's Topics:</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helveti=
ca, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> 1. Re=
: uDig at location meeting (andrea antonello)</span></font><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22> 2. Re: gsoc 2012 (andrea antonello) (Marco =46oi)<=
/span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22>=
<span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> 3. Re: uDig at location=
meeting and assorted other admin stuff</span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22> (Jody Garnett)</span></font><br><font =
face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-s=
ize: 12px;=22> 4. Re: uDig at location meeting (Jody Garnett)=
</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> 5. Re: uDig at locatio=
n meeting and assorted other admin stuff</span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22> (Andrew Ross)</span></font><br><br><br=
><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22=
font-size: 12px;=22>-----------------------------------------------------=
-----------------</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, hel=
vetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Message: 1</sp=
an></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><sp=
an style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:00:16 +0200</=
span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><=
span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>=46rom: andrea antonello <<a href=3D=
=22mailto:andrea.antonello=40gmail.com=22>andrea.antonello=40gmail.com</a=
>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-ser=
if=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Subject: Re: =5Budig-devel=5D =
uDig at location meeting</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>To: User-fr=
iendly Desktop Internet GIS</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, aria=
l, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> <<a =
href=3D=22mailto:udig-devel=40lists.refractions.net=22>udig-devel=40lists=
.refractions.net</a>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Message-ID:=
</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> <<a href=3D=22mailto:CACck5jOxp=
=5FVe4s-DSaJ3Czw8UYtbiUmE=5FgjB1KCzR6W=46Te9v2w=40mail.gmail.com=22>CACck=
5jOxp=5FVe4s-DSaJ3Czw8UYtbiUmE=5FgjB1KCzR6W=46Te9v2w=40mail.gmail.com</a>=
></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Content-Type: text/plain; chars=
et=3D=22windows-1252=22</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, aria=
l, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></sp=
an></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><sp=
an style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22t=
ahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>> Aside: GeoScript was also mentioned in the location working group m=
eeting.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-s=
erif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> This is a technology th=
at has been sitting on the back burner here on</span></font><br><font fac=
e=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size=
: 12px;=22>> udig-devel for far too long. If anyone wants a really nif=
ty integration it</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helveti=
ca, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> has my vote :=
-)</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>> (GeoScript offers something like a =22geotools lite=22 script=
ing target with</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica=
, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> bindings for Ja=
vaScript, Ruby, Scala etc=3F)</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></=
span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>You are aware that the scripting us=
ed by the spatial toolbox also supports</span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>geoscript groovy=3F</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, h=
elvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>And that we =
made a uDig Console prototype that supports also geoscript</span></font><=
br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>scripting=3F (we then never got a fund to develop =
it further</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, san=
s-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22><a href=3D=22http://code.=
google.com/p/jgrasstools/wiki/JConsole=22>http://code.google.com/p/jgrass=
tools/wiki/JConsole</a> ).</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, a=
rial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Lot's=
of stuff is there :)</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial,=
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Andrea</sp=
an></font><br><br><br><br><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetic=
a, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span></font><=
br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>> Jody</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma,=
arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>>=
;</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tah=
oma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>> User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS (uDig)</span></font><br><font fa=
ce=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-siz=
e: 12px;=22>> <a href=3D=22http://udig.refractions.net=22>http://udig.=
refractions.net</a></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> <a href=3D=22=
http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel=22>http://lists.=
refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel</a></span></font><br><font fa=
ce=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-siz=
e: 12px;=22>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetic=
a, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span></font><=
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=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
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ca, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Date: Thu, 26 Apr =
2012 10:02:18 +0200</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>=46rom: Marco =46=
oi <<a href=3D=22mailto:foimarco=40gmail.com=22>foimarco=40gmail.com</=
a>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-se=
rif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Subject: Re: =5Budig-devel=5D=
gsoc 2012 (andrea antonello)</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>To: <a=
href=3D=22mailto:udig-devel=40lists.refractions.net=22>udig-devel=40list=
s.refractions.net</a></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, hel=
vetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Message-ID:</s=
pan></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><s=
pan style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> <<a href=3D=22mailto:CACA+Uo-a8OJP=
3vWPQwKvzyV3o7ZJvL8Hk-yxEuHGuryjEYchCQ=40mail.gmail.com=22>CACA+Uo-a8OJP3=
vWPQwKvzyV3o7ZJvL8Hk-yxEuHGuryjEYchCQ=40mail.gmail.com</a>></span></fo=
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9-1=22</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, san=
s-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>I am in the same timezone=
as Andrea: GMT +1 (Rome)</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>I am s=
ending Jody Skype nikname in private mail.</span></font><br><br><font fac=
e=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size=
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><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Message: 3</span></font><br><font f=
ace=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-si=
ze: 12px;=22>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:13:11 +1000</span></font><br><font=
face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-=
size: 12px;=22>=46rom: Jody Garnett <<a href=3D=22mailto:jody.garnett=40=
gmail.com=22>jody.garnett=40gmail.com</a>></span></font><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22>Subject: Re: =5Budig-devel=5D uDig at location meeting and asso=
rted other</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, san=
s-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> admin stuff</span></font=
><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>To: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS</span></fon=
t><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=
=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> <<a href=3D=22mailto:udig-devel=40lists.ref=
ractions.net=22>udig-devel=40lists.refractions.net</a>></span></font><=
br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>Message-ID: <<a href=3D=22mailto:30127308317348=
B398E6A7C24A36C923=40gmail.com=22>30127308317348B398E6A7C24A36C923=40gmai=
l.com</a>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Content-Type: text/pla=
in; charset=3D=22utf-8=22</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>TLDR: =
Copyright and license are fine. We are trying to phone Refractions to be =
poliet. </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helv=
etica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> =46or me t=
he first *MANDATORY* step was to get the copyright issues solved with Ref=
ractions. Without that it would make no sense to start.</span></font><br>=
<font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22=
font-size: 12px;=22>Not sure how much of that issue is; normally with a l=
icense like LGPL or EPL we can copy the code and track the (c) history in=
the headers. =46urther work (and the version 1.0 codebase) would say som=
ething along the lines of</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>/*****=
*************************************************************************=
*</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> * Copyright (c) 2012 Eclipse =46ou=
ndation and others.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> *</span></font>=
<br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22> * All rights reserved. This program and the accom=
panying materials</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helveti=
ca, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> * are made availa=
ble under the terms of the Eclipse Public License v1.0</span></font><br><=
font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22f=
ont-size: 12px;=22> * which accompanies this distribution, and is availab=
le at</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-ser=
if=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> * <a href=3D=22http://www.ecl=
ipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html=22>http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html<=
/a></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> *</span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22> * Contributors:</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, h=
elvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> * &nbs=
p; Eclipse =46oundation - javadoc and api review</span></font=
><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22> * Jody Garnett - Bug 1234=
2 Slow start up on Mac OSX </span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22ta=
homa, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
> * Refractions Research - initial API and implem=
entation</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-=
serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> **************************=
*****************************************************/</span></font><br><=
br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span styl=
e=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Translating the above (you read it in reverse =
order):</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-s=
erif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>- the class was initially de=
fined by Refraction Research </span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>- Jody fixed a bug (this is an example of how you can track contribut=
ors on patch by patch basis without asking them to sign a contribution ag=
reement required for adhoc commit access)</span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>- Eclipse =46oundation (that would be us acting as part of the eclips=
e foundation) would do a javadoc and header check locking down as many pu=
blic methods as we could</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>- the licen=
se the file is being provided to the current user looking at the file is =
EPL. The fact that Refractions currently provides it under LGPL does not =
really enter into it as the license is compatible in that respect LGPL --=
> EPL.</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>If you are curious the=
=22and others=22 would include Refractions. I am used to the style of li=
sting all (c) holders; but could not quickly find an eclipse example were=
this was done - they seem to have a =22Contributors=22 section in the he=
ader instead.</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helveti=
ca, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>This is the style =
GeoTools and GeoServer use resulting in a header like the following:</spa=
n></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22>=
<span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> * Copyright (c) 2012 Eclipse =46oun=
dation and others.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvet=
ica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> * Copyright =3F =
2004-2012 Refractions Research</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahom=
a, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>A=
side: I can find a few examples of this in the BIRT documentation referen=
cing the original =22Actuate=22 project; since these are in screen snaps =
they may of just escaped the review process - or perhaps it is a valid op=
tion to credit previous contributors.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22ta=
homa, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>> If I am not mistaken until today no step forward has been done on t=
his side, so I am just wondering why we are moving on=3F Are things happe=
ning behind the scenes=3F</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial,=
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Nope. Whil=
e I would like to talk to Refractions to keep them in the loop -</span></=
font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><spa=
n style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>1) The project is open source (under an =
LGPL license). The resulting =22new=22 project would using the source cod=
e as a cut-and-paste starting point and be available under the Eclipse =46=
oundation under an EPL license.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, =
arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>2) W=
e are running the project as PMC and need to take the long term health of=
uDig into account. We have looked into joining the Eclipse =46oundation =
for a number of years - and now with the formation of the location workin=
g group the timing seems to be advantageous.</span></font><br><br><font f=
ace=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-si=
ze: 12px;=22>So while Refractions is not a sticking point; the more inter=
esting (and possibly untraceable) problem is that of our use of LGPL libr=
aries (JTS and GeoTools). As such we need to negotiate an exception as pa=
rt of our eclipse incubation process.</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>I hope the difference between license, copyright and simple Canadian =
polietness clear in the above email.</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>We would like to talk to Refractions to be polite - but if they don't=
return our call so be it (I have not been motivated enough to match thei=
r business hours and call long distance - but I can if you like). Ideally=
I wanted to set up a conference call with Andrew as he know more of this=
stuff then me.</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Jody</span></fon=
t><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=
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ce=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-siz=
e: 12px;=22>Message: 4</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, he=
lvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Date: Thu, 26=
Apr 2012 23:15:09 +1000</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>=46rom: Jod=
y Garnett <<a href=3D=22mailto:jody.garnett=40gmail.com=22>jody.garnet=
t=40gmail.com</a>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, hel=
vetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Subject: Re: =5B=
udig-devel=5D uDig at location meeting</span></font><br><font face=3D=22t=
ahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>To: User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS</span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22> <<a href=3D=22mailto:udig-devel=40lists.refractions.net=22>udig-d=
evel=40lists.refractions.net</a>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tah=
oma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>Message-ID: <<a href=3D=22mailto:904C3146BE9=4640=46CB6C710D18EB36365=
=40gmail.com=22>904C3146BE9=4640=46CB6C710D18EB36365=40gmail.com</a>><=
/span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22>=
<span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D=
=22utf-8=22</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica=
, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>So you have a runnin=
g start - go go=21 </span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>(Or ra=
ther lets find someone to pay you) </span></font><br><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22>-- </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Jody Garnett</sp=
an></font><br><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>On Thursday, 26 April 2012 at 6=
:00 PM, andrea antonello wrote:</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22taho=
ma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>=
> > </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetic=
a, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> > Aside: Ge=
oScript was also mentioned in the location working group meeting. This is=
a technology that has been sitting on the back burner here on udig-devel=
for far too long. If anyone wants a really nifty integration it has my v=
ote :-) </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica,=
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> > </spa=
n></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><spa=
n style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> > (GeoScript offers something li=
ke a =22geotools lite=22 scripting target with bindings for JavaScript, R=
uby, Scala etc=3F)</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvet=
ica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> </span=
></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span=
style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> You are aware that the scripting use=
d by the spatial toolbox also supports geoscript groovy=3F</span></font><=
br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>> And that we made a uDig Console prototype tha=
t supports also geoscript scripting=3F (we then never got a fund to devel=
op it further <a href=3D=22http://code.google.com/p/jgrasstools/wiki/JCon=
sole=22>http://code.google.com/p/jgrasstools/wiki/JConsole</a> ).</span><=
/font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span s=
tyle=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> </span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>> Lot's of stuff is there :)</span></font><br><font face=3D=22taho=
ma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>=
> </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sa=
ns-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> Andrea</span></font=
><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>> </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahom=
a, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&=
gt; </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, san=
s-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> </span></font>=
<br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>> </span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>> > </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helv=
etica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> > Jody&=
nbsp; </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-se=
rif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</span></font><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22>> > User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS (uDig)</span></fon=
t><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=
=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> > <a href=3D=22http://udig.refractions.=
net=22>http://udig.refractions.net</a></span></font><br><font face=3D=22t=
ahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>> > <a href=3D=22http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udi=
g-devel=22>http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel</a></=
span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><=
span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> > </span></font><br><fo=
nt face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22fon=
t-size: 12px;=22>> </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, ari=
al, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> =5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=
=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F</span></f=
ont><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span sty=
le=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> User-friendly Desktop Internet GIS (uDig=
)</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> <a href=3D=22http://udig.refra=
ctions.net=22>http://udig.refractions.net</a></span></font><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22>> <a href=3D=22http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo=
/udig-devel=22>http://lists.refractions.net/mailman/listinfo/udig-devel</=
a></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> </span></font><br><font =
face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-s=
ize: 12px;=22>> </span></font><br><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma=
, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>--=
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ions.net/pipermail/udig-devel/attachments/20120426/ffd5823c/attachment-00=
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ica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Message: 5</span>=
</font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span =
style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 10:13:37 -0400</spa=
n></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><spa=
n style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>=46rom: Andrew Ross <<a href=3D=22mai=
lto:andrew.ross=40eclipse.org=22>andrew.ross=40eclipse.org</a>></span>=
</font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span =
style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Subject: Re: =5Budig-devel=5D uDig at loca=
tion meeting and assorted other</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, =
arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> adm=
in stuff</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-=
serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>To: Jody Garnett <<a hre=
f=3D=22mailto:jody.garnett=40gmail.com=22>jody.garnett=40gmail.com</a>>=
;</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Cc: User-friendly Desktop Internet =
GIS</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22> <<a href=3D=22mailto:udig-de=
vel=40lists.refractions.net=22>udig-devel=40lists.refractions.net</a>>=
</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Message-ID: <<a href=3D=22mailto=
:4=46995811.7030101=40eclipse.org=22>4=46995811.7030101=40eclipse.org</a>=
></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Content-Type: text/plain; chars=
et=3D=22utf-8=22; =46ormat=3D=22flowed=22</span></font><br><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22>Hi Jody, Emily, Everyone</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22t=
ahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>Please forgive me for top-posting. This update didn't fit in any one </s=
pan></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><s=
pan style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>specific point in the thread but was r=
elevant to the discussion.</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, a=
rial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Thing=
s are going extremely well for the Location industry working group </span=
></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span=
style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>(IWG) formation. In May, the Location IWG=
will be presented to the </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial=
, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Eclipse =46=
oundation board. If the plan is approved including the details </span></f=
ont><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span sty=
le=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>re: a distinct name/brand/logo for our Locati=
on group, we'll have what </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial=
, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>we need t=
o proceed.</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica,=
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Regarding licensing, =
the way the IWG is structured will let us </span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>re-distribute LGPL components such as Geotools for example. It is =
our </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>hope that LGPL be the exception=
rather than the norm (i.e. EPL, MIT, </span></font><br><font face=3D=22t=
ahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>BSD) since there are clauses in the LGPL that trigger more than a few </=
span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><=
span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>companies to prohibit re-use of LGPL =
components including key </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial,=
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>participat=
ing members.</span></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetic=
a, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>On the company side=
of things there are roughly 20 organizations </span></font><br><font fac=
e=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size=
: 12px;=22>participating already. This list is growing significantly each=
meeting </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans=
-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>which is nice to see. A ha=
ndful of companies have already committed to </span></font><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22>launch the group. A few more may join between now and the launc=
h. Of the </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, san=
s-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>initial group, Oracle &am=
p; IBM have tentatively agreed to provide the </span></font><br><font fac=
e=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size=
: 12px;=22>inaugural co-chairs for the group.</span></font><br><br><font =
face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-s=
ize: 12px;=22>All of this is a long winded say that we're now ready to pu=
sh ahead and </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>start the work to brin=
g uDig to this exciting new forge & group.</span></font><br><br><font=
face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-=
size: 12px;=22>If you're interested in more information, our temporary la=
nding page is </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica,=
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>here: <a href=3D=22ht=
tp://wiki.eclipse.org/Location=22>http://wiki.eclipse.org/Location</a></s=
pan></font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>I would be thrilled to talk to anyo=
ne who's interested in hosting a </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma=
, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>pr=
oject in this facility or talking about how participation in this IWG </s=
pan></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><s=
pan style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>can benefit their organization.</span>=
</font><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><s=
pan style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>Andrew</span></font><br><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22>p.s. As Jody noted, many of us have been involved with OSGeo fo=
r some </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-s=
erif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>time. I'm happy to report we=
've been having constructive conversations </span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>with members of the OSGeo board about how we can collaborate. =46o=
r what </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-s=
erif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>it's worth, we're also talki=
ng with OpenStreetMap, Ushahidi, and many </span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>other organizations about similar synergies.</span></font><br><br>=
<br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>On 04/25/2012 10:24 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:</span>=
</font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span =
style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> TLDR: Jody is alive. We have some org=
anisation here </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica=
, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> <<a href=3D=22=
http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display/UDIG/Eclipse+=46oundation=22=
>http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display/UDIG/Eclipse+=46oundation=
</a>> and </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> a bit of work to =
do (but the Eclipse =46oundation seems to be ready to </span></font><br><=
font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22f=
ont-size: 12px;=22>> help out on the hard part). Please join the Eclip=
se Location Working </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helv=
etica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> group (eve=
n if just to lurk).</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span></fon=
t><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=
=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> Jody</span></font><br><font face=3D=22taho=
ma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>=
>>>> Still the question holds: who is going to start the proc=
ess of getting</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica,=
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>>>>> uDig=
to eclipse. I think we would need to have at least a couple of</span></f=
ont><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span sty=
le=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>>>>> members of the communtiy to =
assure presence and contribution. Did I</span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>>>>> loose another email thread=3F</span></font><br><font=
face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-=
size: 12px;=22>> Perhaps - We did start the process in December :-) Ho=
wever it is going </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvet=
ica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> a bit slow a=
s we need to ask eclipse to be comfortable with us using </span></font><b=
r><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22=
font-size: 12px;=22>> LGPL license libraries (JTS and GeoTools). We ca=
n probably get an </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvet=
ica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> exception fo=
r that by demonstrating how valuable they are and that we </span></font><=
br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>> don't have the capacity to rewrite them=3F</s=
pan></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><s=
pan style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>> Other then that I think we are waiting to hear back from Andrew =
and </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> Andrew is waiting to hear =
back from us.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span></font><br>=
<font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22=
font-size: 12px;=22>> I am keen to start :-) As such I would like to f=
ill in our R=46C and get </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial,=
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> a goo=
d list of tasks going to capture the work involved so we can </span></fon=
t><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=
=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> start to round up resources.</span></font>=
<br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=
=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, aria=
l, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> The=
page is here (is this what you missed=3F):</span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>> - <a href=3D=22http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display=
/UDIG/Eclipse+=46oundation=22>http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/disp=
lay/UDIG/Eclipse+=46oundation</a></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma=
, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&g=
t;</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> On a separate topic - I would =
like to see uDig taking part in the </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tah=
oma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>> eclipse =22location=22 working group; however to date all the meeti=
ngs </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> have been at 3am for me. I=
would like to ask that someone else from </span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>> the uDig community attend these (or we can ask Andrew to hold=
two </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-ser=
if=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> meetings and cary the min=
uets over between them).</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span>=
</font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span =
style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> Andrew has a bit of a balancing act a=
s representative of both Eclipse </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma=
, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&g=
t; and OSGeo =46oundations. To be fair so do I since I the OSGeo incubati=
on </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> chair. We can muddle along;=
but just a reminder to play nice as we all </span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>> have the same goals.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma,=
arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>>=
;</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> We have also failed to contact=
Refractions (although we have asked </span></font><br><font face=3D=22ta=
homa, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>> Emily to check in with Refractions Management). Andrew you may wish=
to </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> use Emily as a useful Refr=
actions contact until we can arrange a </span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>> better introduction - she is CCed on this email.</span></font><b=
r><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22=
font-size: 12px;=22>></span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> Other =
things in the mix:</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvet=
ica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> - I would no=
t mind changing the uDig license to EPL 1.0 to simplify </span></font><br=
><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22=
font-size: 12px;=22>> our license story. Our reasons for not using the=
license were only </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> based on th=
e popularity of LGPL at the time (and the eclipse common </span></font><b=
r><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22=
font-size: 12px;=22>> license at the time was not yet established as a=
viable investment </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helve=
tica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> target).</s=
pan></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><s=
pan style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> - We have a smooth working relati=
onship with GeoTools (a policy of </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahom=
a, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&=
gt; copying code over when possible to share. We would need to amend this=
</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> to cover a license transition =
from EPL->LGPL perhaps a formal letter </span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>> in our docs would work. GeoServer has a similar arrangement (=
ask on </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-s=
erif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> the email list and get =
approval) for the much harder GPL->LGPL </span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>> transition so we have working policy model to crib from.</spa=
n></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><spa=
n style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> - We are getting very fond of git; =
and github in particular. While I </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahom=
a, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&=
gt; don't mind continuing to persue github pages I would like to focus on=
</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> static content hosting; so we =
can take our docs with us and not get </span></font><br><font face=3D=22t=
ahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>> tied into their fun little content theme scrubber thing. Eclipse no=
w </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> has some procedures in place w=
ith respect to git. While github </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma=
, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&g=
t; documentation has been a key success factor for the project - that </s=
pan></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><s=
pan style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> limit is less damaging as git bec=
omes the defacto technology. More </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahom=
a, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&=
gt; damaging is the =22if it is not on github the project must be cancele=
d=22 </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-ser=
if=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> attitude that has already=
caused trouble for GeoTools and GeoServer :-)</span></font><br><font fac=
e=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size=
: 12px;=22>>> Sure everybody can join. I am not afraid of the fact =
that too many</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, =
sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>>> people would =
help. It is the other way round :)</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahom=
a, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&=
gt;> So if such a process is started, I think there should be a minimu=
m</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22=
><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>>> number of developers that =
donate time to that process. Else I am just</span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>>> wondering who would do the work.</span></font><br><font f=
ace=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-si=
ze: 12px;=22>> I am very keen; I want to talk with Andrew and determin=
e how much work </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetic=
a, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> there is and b=
oil it down into tasks before asking the project to </span></font><br><fo=
nt face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22fon=
t-size: 12px;=22>> accept the R=46C proposal.</span></font><br><font f=
ace=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-si=
ze: 12px;=22>>> This thought comes from the fact that when uDig nee=
ds to be released</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helveti=
ca, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>>> and teste=
d, very very few people are around.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22taho=
ma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>=
> The automated maven / tycho build is helping a lot with this :-) </s=
pan></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><s=
pan style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> Indeed I think that is one of the=
most amazing things the Eclipse </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma=
, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&g=
t; =46oundation has done recently.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahom=
a, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>&=
gt;</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> I would like some help on t=
he release cycle front - as it cuts out my </span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>> time to work on QA and new ideas.</span></font><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22>>> Well, the move towards</span></font><br><font face=3D=22=
tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=
=22>>> eclipse looks way bigger to me than that, and without some</=
span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><=
span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>>> coordination I am just wonde=
ring how that should work=3F</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, ari=
al, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> We=
have a small bit of coordination already started; thus far there </span>=
</font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span =
style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> have been only two =22common=22 conce=
rns.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-seri=
f=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> - After being on the incub=
ation committee I was concerned about the </span></font><br><font face=3D=
=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12=
px;=22>> review processing being a lot of work - strangely enough this=
appears </span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans=
-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> to be the part where =
the eclipse foundation is ready to step in and </span></font><br><font fa=
ce=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-siz=
e: 12px;=22>> help (yay=21)</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, a=
rial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> =
- The eclipse foundation has a =221.0 release=22 from a fresh codebase </=
span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><=
span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>> policy which apparently is often=
a cause of contention. Since we lost </span></font><br><font face=3D=22t=
ahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22=
>> our history moving to gitourious we are rather relaxed about this o=
ne.</span></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>></span></font><br><font face=
=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size:=
12px;=22>> Jody</span></font><br><br><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, aria=
l, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>-- </spa=
n></font><br><font face=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><spa=
n style=3D=22font-size: 12px;=22>*Andrew Ross*</span></font><br><font fac=
e=3D=22tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif=22><span style=3D=22font-size=
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