Doug,
Yes, I've been away in Germany trying to solicit support for PTP. Let me try and address some of these issues. I agree that this could appear to be one vendor trying to find an open source home, however there is actually very little in the contribution that is vendor specific. IBM already contributed the remote tools component, but it is clear that there are other parts of the Cell IDE that would be equally beneficial to the broader community. They have also provided a full time committer to maintain these contributions, and a direct result, this committer and other developers are now working to improve core parts of PTP that would otherwise not have happened. Further, in my view, this contribution is more along the lines of "PTP support for Cell" rather than a Cell specific product, and broadening the platform support is one of my highest priorities. Also, frankly, if other vendors, such as Cray or HP were willing to provide contributions of this magnitude, they would also be greatly welcomed by the community. However, to date they have shown little interest. As you know, PTP operates under a different development model from most other Eclipse projects, and anything that might stimulate commercial interest in using Eclipse for HPC would be extremely beneficial.
Regards,
Greg On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Schaefer, Doug wrote: Thanks Anthony, I have a little more detail. It was a contribution from the IBM developers that created the Eclipse-based Cell IDE to Parallel Tools Project. I'm not sure if it was solicited or not and I think Greg has been away since I haven't heard from him. But I did hear from Beth Tibbits of the PTP project who explained that the Cell team had desires to make the tooling more generic and applicable to other community members. So I'm less concerned now. But this is something that has come up a few times over the years and always made uncomfortable. If a contribution is targeted solely at the customers of the vendor that contributed the work, is that an appropriate contribution. On the surface, it appears that the vendor is trying to find a open source home and distribution channel for the work and chose Eclipse. They could have just as easily, if not more easily, created a SourceForge project to achieve the same results. Unless they wanted the Eclipse brand to help promote the work. And that's where I get really uncomfortable. At any rate, if the community strongly supports it, we as the PMC should probably let it pass. I'm more worried if the community doesn't express an opinion and it just slips through. Cheers, Doug. Hi Doug,
" the Cell IDE fits into the PTP mandate", what does PTP have to say about this?
If this is a contribution request to PTP why are we asking the tools PMC for guidance?
Cheers... Anthony -- Anthony Hunter mailto:anthonyh@xxxxxxxxxx Software Development Manager: Eclipse Open Source Components IBM Rational Software: Aurora / GMF / Modeling Tools Phone: 613-270-4613
<graycol.gif>"Schaefer, Doug" ---07/11/2008 11:27:56 AM---Looking for guidance here. Is this an appropriate contribution to Eclipse?
Looking for guidance here. Is this an appropriate contribution to Eclipse?
Cheers, Doug.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 11:11 AM To: Parallel Tools Platform general developers Cc: lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
Cool, thanks Craig. I can see Cell being useful for the scientific community. But I'm trying to figure out if there is any separation between the Cell IDE and IBM commercial interests. You did somewhat confirm that you are an IBM customer and do fit on the commercial side. I assume IBM, like most platform vendors, should be providing a supported IDE as a part of their solution, no?
I think we get into a fuzzy area when a commercial vendor contributes software that can only be used with their products. I have similar concerns with the xlc integration with the CDT, BTW. I'll need to check up the chain about that, assuming that's what this is. And, if the community fully support this, it makes it harder for me to argue.
Cheers, Doug.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Craig Rasmussen Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:44 AM To: Parallel Tools Platform general developers Cc: lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
The Cell architecture is a big component of Los Alamos' computing vision. We have just purchased the 1 Petaflop Roadrunner machine and are looking for ways to ease the transition for our developers. I'm a member of a small team of neural scientists at LANL who are purchasing a small Cell based cluster for code development. Our team is also using Eclipse and PTP and the Cell IDE fits very nicely in the parallel space we are working in.
Cheers, Craig
On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Schaefer, Doug wrote: I've added a comment on the bug. I'm just wondering how the Cell IDE fits into the PTP mandate. And I'm wondering about the community around the Cell IDE, i.e., who uses it, is there a community outside of IBM commercial interests?
Doug wearing his Tools PMC hat.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Leonardo Augusto GuimarĂ£es Garcia Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:09 PM To: Parallel Tools Platform general developers Subject: Re: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
Greg,
I attached the necessary patches and the source code for Cell IDE in the Eclipse bug #240243.
Please, let me know if there is any issue.
Best regards,
Leonardo Garcia Linux on Cell and Prism Focal Point - LTC Brazil IDE Software Engineer - Linux on Cell Linux Technology Center Brazil Phone: +55-19-2132-2068 (T/L: 839-2068) lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Leonardo Augusto GuimarĂ£es Garcia wrote: Greg,
I opened Eclipse bug #240243 in order to contribute Cell IDE source code to PTP.
I'll attach the necessary patches and source code on the bug by the end of this week so that you and others interested can take a look.
Best regards,
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