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Thanks, Greg. This helps a lot and will approve the IPzilla
when it comes by.
Cheers,
Doug.
Doug,
Yes, I've been away in Germany trying to solicit support for PTP. Let me
try and address some of these issues. I agree that this could appear to be one
vendor trying to find an open source home, however there is actually very
little in the contribution that is vendor specific. IBM already contributed
the remote tools component, but it is clear that there are other parts of the
Cell IDE that would be equally beneficial to the broader community. They have
also provided a full time committer to maintain these contributions, and a
direct result, this committer and other developers are now working to improve
core parts of PTP that would otherwise not have happened. Further, in my view,
this contribution is more along the lines of "PTP support for Cell" rather
than a Cell specific product, and broadening the platform support is one of my
highest priorities. Also, frankly, if other vendors, such as Cray or HP were
willing to provide contributions of this magnitude, they would also be greatly
welcomed by the community. However, to date they have shown little interest.
As you know, PTP operates under a different development model from most other
Eclipse projects, and anything that might stimulate commercial interest in
using Eclipse for HPC would be extremely beneficial.
Regards,
Greg
On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:12 PM, Schaefer, Doug wrote:
Thanks Anthony,
I have a little more detail. It was a contribution from
the IBM developers that created the Eclipse-based Cell IDE to Parallel Tools
Project. I'm not sure if it was solicited or not and I think Greg has been
away since I haven't heard from him. But I did hear from Beth Tibbits of the
PTP project who explained that the Cell team had desires to make the tooling
more generic and applicable to other community members. So I'm less
concerned now.
But this is something that has come up a few times
over the years and always made uncomfortable. If a contribution is
targeted solely at the customers of the vendor that contributed the work, is
that an appropriate contribution. On the surface, it appears that the vendor
is trying to find a open source home and distribution channel for the
work and chose Eclipse. They could have just as easily, if not more easily,
created a SourceForge project to achieve the same results. Unless they
wanted the Eclipse brand to help promote the work. And that's where I get
really uncomfortable.
At any rate, if the community strongly supports it, we
as the PMC should probably let it pass. I'm more worried if the community
doesn't express an opinion and it just slips through.
Cheers,
Doug.
Hi Doug,
" the Cell IDE fits into
the PTP mandate", what does PTP have to say about this?
If
this is a contribution request to PTP why are we asking the tools PMC for
guidance?
Cheers...
Anthony
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<graycol.gif>"Schaefer, Doug" ---07/11/2008 11:27:56 AM---Looking for
guidance here. Is this an appropriate contribution to
Eclipse?
Looking for guidance here. Is
this an appropriate contribution to Eclipse?
Cheers,
Doug.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Schaefer, Doug
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008
11:11 AM
To:
Parallel Tools Platform general developers
Cc: lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ptp-dev] Cell
IDE contribution to PTP
Cool, thanks Craig. I can see Cell being useful for the
scientific community. But I'm trying to figure out if there is any
separation between the Cell IDE and IBM commercial interests. You did
somewhat confirm that you are an IBM customer and do fit on the commercial
side. I assume IBM, like most platform vendors, should be providing a
supported IDE as a part of their solution, no?
I think we get into a
fuzzy area when a commercial vendor contributes software that can only be
used with their products. I have similar concerns with the xlc integration
with the CDT, BTW. I'll need to check up the chain about that, assuming
that's what this is. And, if the community fully support this, it makes it
harder for me to argue.
Cheers,
Doug.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Craig Rasmussen
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008
10:44 AM
To:
Parallel Tools Platform general developers
Cc: lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ptp-dev] Cell
IDE contribution to PTP
The
Cell architecture is a big component of Los Alamos' computing vision. We
have just purchased the 1 Petaflop Roadrunner machine and are looking for
ways to ease the transition for our developers. I'm a member of a small
team of neural scientists at LANL who are purchasing a small Cell based
cluster for code development. Our team is also using Eclipse and PTP and
the Cell IDE fits very nicely in the parallel space we are working
in.
Cheers,
Craig
On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:34 AM,
Schaefer, Doug wrote:
I've added a comment on the bug.
I'm just wondering how the Cell IDE fits into the PTP mandate. And I'm
wondering about the community around the Cell IDE, i.e., who uses it,
is there a community outside of IBM commercial
interests?
Doug wearing his Tools PMC hat.
From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Leonardo Augusto Guimarães
Garcia
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:09 PM
To: Parallel Tools
Platform general developers
Subject: Re: [ptp-dev]
Cell IDE contribution to PTP
Greg,
I attached the necessary patches and the source
code for Cell IDE in the Eclipse bug #240243.
Please, let me know if there is any issue.
Best
regards,
Leonardo Garcia
Linux on Cell
and Prism Focal Point - LTC Brazil
IDE Software Engineer - Linux on
Cell
Linux Technology Center Brazil
Phone: +55-19-2132-2068
(T/L: 839-2068)
lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Leonardo Augusto Guimarães Garcia wrote:
Greg,
I opened Eclipse bug #240243 in order
to contribute Cell IDE source code to PTP.
I'll attach the
necessary patches and source code on the bug by the end of this
week so that you and others interested can take a
look.
Best regards,
Leonardo Garcia
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