Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] TCK process draft vote

["Kevin Sutter" <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Is it just me, or
is this whole process for certification and logo usage becoming too complicated?

We want as many
compatible implementations as we can.  And, we want to advertise that
we have all of these compatible implementations.  Java EE was too
hard to get "compatible".  We should make it easy to be
listed as a compatible implementation, especially at the individual feature
level (ie. Servlet, or Connectors, or Security).  I would even go
so far to say it should be easy to be listed as compatible implementation
for the platform.

Where we may want
to be more selective is with the use of the Brand and Logo.  Go ahead
and make them jump through the hoops of becoming a Working Group member
and sign off on the TCK results.  This could be a selective page with
the companies logos indicating success -- ala https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/overview/compatibility-jsp-136984.html.

I realize that
this approach may be controversial.  But, given where we are with
Jakarta, I think we need be more open and welcoming with the "compatible
implementations".  We need some positive publicity.

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From:
       Scott
Stark <sstark@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:
       Jakarta
specification committee <jakarta.ee-spec.committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:
       06/26/2019
12:51 PM
Subject:
       [EXTERNAL]
Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] TCK process draft vote
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What I recall from our discussion
on the topic is that we would allow the individual specification pages
to have a list of compatible implementations that had completed a certification
request. 

The platform specs that have logos and branding associated with them would
require an additional trademark license agreement. I don’t think we explicitly
called out the what would be on the platform specification page in terms
of compatible implementations. I think some assumed that the implementations
that had completed a certification request would have a listing on the
spec page, and those that had also completed a trademark agreement would
be listed on another jakarta.ee branding page.

The issue to the steering committee is whether or not to allow compatible
implementations on the platform specification pages.

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 8:54 AM, Kazumura, Kenji <kzr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> 
> But, the first paragraph of this section seems to provide vendors
an option
> that their products can be listed on jakarata.ee without Jakarta EE
trademark license.
> If I am the only person who interpret like above, this document is
ok.
> 
> -Kenji Kazumura
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Alasdair Nottingham
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 8:32 PM
>> To: Jakarta specification committee <jakarta.ee-spec.committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] TCK process draft vote
>> 
>> The first sentence of that section says it is self certification
and the TCK license agreement lays out in section 4
>> what you do for that self certification process. The section in
the TCK process is supplemental and necessary for
>> a) listing on Jakarta.ee as a compatible implementation and b)
use of the Jakarta EE trademark.
>> 
>> My interpretation is a vendor can claim compatibility provided
I follow section 4 of the TCK license, but they can’t
>> use the logo and won’t be listed on Jakarta.ee (the latter of
which might raise eyebrows of users)
>> 
>> Alasdair Nottingham
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2019, at 2:16 AM, Kazumura, Kenji <kzr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’m sorry I may miss some discussions.
>>> Regarding the first paragraph of “Certification Compatibility”
section,
>>> if a vendor's certification request is accepted but they do
not sign the trademark license,
>>> what can they claim ?
>>> 
>>> It is clear they cannot claim "Our product is Jakarta
EE compatible", but
>>> is it ok they can claim "Our product is certified by
Jakarta EE working group" ?
>>> 
>>> I'm not clear how we should describe their product in jakarta.ee
implementations page.
>>> 
>>> -Kenji Kazumura
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:jakarta.ee-spec.committee-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Scott Stark
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 1:08 PM
>>> To: Jakarta specification committee <jakarta.ee-spec.committee@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: [jakarta.ee-spec.committee] TCK process draft vote
>>> 
>>> I think we have reached the point of a workable TCK process
for the first release. The remaining issues are
>> outside the process doc and encapsulated in the 3 issues I sent
out earlier. We can either vote by mail or in
>> tomorrow’s spec call if everyone is prepared to do so.
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