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[wtp-pmc] Which version of schema file license to distribute with (from our call Thursday morning)

Thanks for the call this morning. To summarize: The following five files have licensing agreements that differ in the current WTP 1.5 release from their public links (follow the links below to see the current, cleaner licensing language). Our concerns were that


  1. You may have reviewed the “modern” language instead of what we have in WTP today, since we would likely have provided you with URLs in the contribution questionnaire rather than copies of our files.
  2. Even if you *did* review the earlier language, the current one seems distinctly clearer and preferable, and we would like to use that instead to avoid any IP ambiguity, provided of course that you’re in agreement on that point. Note that there is no change to the content of these files versus what we have today; this is not a version change request, just a licensing clarification question.


Here are the 5 URLs. Note that the “encoding” one has slightly different language than the other four. [This is the one you and I looked at this morning] [This one is slightly different than the others]



Let me know how you’d like to proceed for our 1.5 release (use the existing language we have now or update to the versions below). My apologies for having this come up late in the game, but it just came to our attention. Thanks,





From: Janet Campbell [mailto:janet.campbell@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:19 PM
To: Tim Wagner
Subject: RE: Concern about WSDL4J schema files


I’ll block it off.  Talk to you then.



From: Tim Wagner [mailto:twagner@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:14 PM
To: Janet Campbell
Subject: FW: Concern about WSDL4J schema files


Janet, can we talk about this Friday morning, perhaps 7am PDT / 10 am EDT if you’re available? Shouldn’t take more than 10-15 minutes.


From: Jeffrey Liu [mailto:jeffliu@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 1:37 PM
To: Tim Wagner
Cc: David M Williams; Arthur Ryman; Raghu Srinivasan
Subject: Concern about WSDL4J schema files


Hi Tim,

I'll use http.xsd as an example, but the same arguement apply to the other schema files as well. First of all, here's a copy of the current http.xsd file that we have in WTP:

If you open this file, you'll find the following statement in there:

The presentation, distribution or other dissemination of the
information contained herein by Microsoft is not a license,
either expressly or impliedly, to any intellectual property owned or
controlled by Microsoft.

If I remember correctly, the concern back in WTP 0.7 for not shipping these schema files is that these files do not have an explicit in it. Also, the Web site where we got these files does not have a license either. In another word, there's no licenses associated with these files and that's why we cannot ship them.

Since WTP 0.7, I believe Adrian worked with the owner of the Web site and had them update the files with an explicit license. If you check the Web site again, notice a new license has been added to the file:

License for WSDL Schema Files

The Authors grant permission to copy and distribute the WSDL Schema
Files in any medium without fee or royalty as long as this notice and
license are distributed with them.  The originals of these files can
be located at:

I believe this is the version that Janet approved. What I suspect is that after we got approval to ship these files in WTP, we added the old files instead of the new files which contain the new license. Tim, can you confirm with Janet this is really the story? If so, we should refresh the schema files. Thanks.

Jeffrey Liu
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