Thanks,
I
will let Christian/Anne know.
Marc
Hi
Marc,
This
sounds great!
Thanks
for the lobbying
J
Adrian.
Thanks, Marc/Adrian.
Had another round with
Anne/Christian:
We could get a room
Tuesday morning parallel to the Tutorials. Decided then?
Marc
Hi Adrian, Marc
I second Adrian's opinion : a night is great for
community-building (if loaded with enough beers ;), but hard
to convey a message in. 20-30 seems doable (at least 4 on
JWT's side).
Regards,
Marc
Le 23/07/2012 16:17, Mos, Adrian a écrit :
Hi Marc, all,
Thanks for the submission and the
lobbying efforts!
J For me option 3 would be best,
complemented if possible by option 4. The SOA Night could be
in the form of a big BoF and drinks are always possible (and
desirable) at a BoF J However I think it is important (if
possible) to convey a message that this field (SOA/BPM etc)
is important for this community and having a session is a
good way of doing it. A tutorial I think will have small
chances because our thing is not going to be a fully
integrated “how-to” where people can acquire a skill, so
naturally it will be hard to compete with popular
technologies and so on.
I think if we do find a separate room
for a session, then we can maybe hope for 20-30 people,
although it’s very hard to say.
Cheers,
Adrian.
Good timing, Marc.
I just have talked to
Christian Campo, the PC.
Few aspects/status
1.
I had submitted this as a tutorial (merely
because of the duration).
2.
Likelihood that it will fail is high as we may
not attract so many people.
3.
We may do a separate track and they may find a
smaller room for us (30-40 people). How many do we think we
can attract?
4.
We may also do a SOA Night and could get larger
rooms. We may want to sponsor drinks and make it more of a
happening.
After thinking about it,
I started to like 4. (although I thought people would be a
bit tired). I would be able to get some marketing dollars
for beer etc. – if you could also get some.
What are your thoughts?
Marc
Hi Marc
Any news I may have missed ? Did it go well ?
Regards,
Marc
Le 11/07/2012 18:28, Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx
a écrit :
Thanks a lot, Marc. I
will do a final trimming and send to all of you before
submitting tomorrow.
Marc
From: Marc Dutoo [mailto:marc.dutoo@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2012 18:19
To: SOA PMC mailing list; Gille, Marc; 'Etienne
Juliot'
Subject: Re: [soa-pmc] Joint Submission for SOA
Track
Hi Marc
Here is my update :
* merged the first two talks
* added Etienne Juliot of Obeo to the Panel (and emails) since
he's OK and Stéphane won't be available.
Happy to be useful in other ways if necessary !
Regards,
Marc
Le 10/07/2012 19:36, Marc Dutoo a écrit :
Hi Marc
Stéphane is on holidays, so I'm looking it up with Etienne
Drapeau of Obeo.
& As said, I'll try to fusion the first two topics.
Chasing some other rabbits on the way, but you should have
everything by tomorrow 2 PM.
A suggestion : you could enrich the SOA Joint Panel
description by listing attending PMC members, even those
without a talk => who's also interested here?
Regards,
Marc
Le 10/07/2012 17:16, Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx
a écrit :
Thanks, Adrian.
Gents/Marc – any update?
Marc
Hi Marc,
Sorry for the slow reply, on my side
the proposal document looks good. I’ll be happy to help with
organising the track when time comes.
Cheers and thanks for your work on
this.
Adrian.
Thanks, Marc. Just send
the update when you are done. I may have one more
contributor on the BPMN side, I will add.
Marc
Hi Marc
Indeed, great work !
* You're right, we could combine the first two presentations,
I don't want that much talking anyway, it was more of a way to
give ideas that would interest other people.
* I still have to see whether Stéphane's as interested as I
think he is !
* finally, I'll improve my abstracts
... all ASAP in this beginning of the week.
Regards,
Marc
Le 08/07/2012 11:08, Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx
a écrit :
Gents,
here is the current
working draft for our submission. Some abstracts may need a
bit of tweaking. I suggest that we work on the document with
change tracking activated. I am happy to do the merge.
Would be great to have
your input by EOB tomorrow.
Marc D., maybe we should
combine the first two presentations?
Thanks,
Marc
Sounds great, thanks a lot Marc for
your initiative.
Adrian.
Great, thanks. Sorted
then. I will create a draft of presentation titles,
abstracts and presenters as well as a few words on the panel
and send it to you guys for review over the weekend.
Marc
Hi Marc,
Thanks!
The panel discussion also seems like a
good idea. In fact anything that can engage the audience and
increase visibility would be great, as it seems that at
Eclipse CON US there was a serious lack of content on this
overall theme (which is a pity as this theme is of high
importance to companies).
Cheers,
Adrian.
Thanks, Marc/Adrian.
Seems that we have
·
Marc Dutoo/Stéphane
Drapeau
- A "documentation" Talk
·
Marc Dutoo/Stéphane
Drapeau
- Managing your SOA with Eclipse SOA and EasySOA
·
Marc Dutoo/Stéphane
Drapeau
- Multi Platform Enterprise Processes : From Business
Modeling to Architecture and Execution
·
Adrian Mos -
DSL integration in BPMS/SOA
through Mangrove
·
Marc Gille - Stardust - a homogenous Runtime
Environment for BPM, SOA and Document Processing
This should give us a
critical mass for at least half a day if not more. Bob,
anything from your end?
I am happy to assemble a
compound abstract list from the mails below so that we can
adjust and submit early next week.
What do you guys think
about adding a panel discussion with all SOA PMC, take
questions/topics from the audience during the above
presentations, selecting a few and discussing those in the
panel?
Cheers,
Marc
From: Mos, Adrian [mailto:adrian.mos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Freitag, 6. Juli 2012 16:36
To: Marc Dutoo; SOA PMC mailing list
Cc: Gille, Marc; 'Stéphane Drapeau'
Subject: RE: [soa-pmc] Joint Submission for SOA
Track
Hi Marc,
I would certainly be interested in
taking part in this. I’m sorry I’m completely over my head
this week hence my slow (and small) reply. I could
contribute to a general presentation by presenting how
Mangrove fits in the overall picture as well as talk about
DSL integration in BPMS/SOA through Mangrove, which could be
interesting to a number of people in the Eclipse community.
Here’s a first draft of what I could be talking about:
Designing business process models and
service oriented artifacts in Eclipse is well supported by a
variety of tools, such as the set of editors available in
the Eclipse SOA top-level project. Similarly, many people
use domain specific editors to instantiate their DSLs. We
aim to bridge the two worlds in order to bring the power of
DSL expressivity into the SOA/BPM enterprise modeling tools
while properly leveraging SOA runtime support.
We will present and demonstrate how
popular Eclipse SOA modeling tools can be connected with DSL
editors while preserving consistency of artifacts. We will
show:
-
How
business processes defined with Eclipse BPMN editors can
define DSL subprocesses that can subsequently be refined in
their respective DSL editors
-
How
DSL-based processes can be exposed in BPMN and SOA
architectural diagrams (SCA)
-
The talk will illustrate these points
through practical demonstrations using existing Eclipse
editors. It will also show practically how any DSL can be
integrated in this manner by highlighting the various
plugins that need to be used. The artifacts stored in the
Mangrove instance will be displayed visually using the new
Mangrove editor.
Adrian.
Hi Marc
Here at Open Wide we're very much interested in such a join
track.
To start the ball rolling, here are a few talk ideas on our
side :
* a "documentation" talk.
Title ideas : "Models as operational documentation"," From
Eclipse EMF to CMIS document management", "Give a new life to
your models after design time, as operational documentation in
an ECM, with JWT as use case"
This topic has already been talked about in the PMC.
=> It could be enriched / revamped if other people
(Zsolt, Adrian, Stéphane, Alain, Marc) have things to say on
the "documentation" topic, or even want to integrate their
components (SCA, BPMN2) in this use case / this component.
A version has already been shown at Grenoble Juno DemoCamp,
see slides
http://www.slideshare.net/mdutoo/eclipse-democamp-2012ecmv05pub
Abstract is described in the second paragraph (*) at http://www.easysoa.org/2012/06/publishing-models-documentation-at-eclipse-juno-democamp-grenoble/
* Managing your SOA with Eclipse SOA and EasySOA
Now, this is only a follow-up of the previous one in the case
where the document management platform is actually EasySOA v1
(should be ready by then).
There are two steps / themes.
** 1. Documenting your SOA with Eclipse SOA and EasySOA
We'd like to show how it allows to discover services online
& in the code, and mix this information up with (Eclipse
SOA) business & architecture models and manual
documentation in a single SOA documentation portal.
** 2. Getting back the control of your SOA with Eclipse SOA
and EasySOA
We'd like to show how EasySOA allows to detect inconsistencies
between modeled expectations and the actual developed /
deployed / tested SOA.
=> here also people welcome, especially Stéphane on SCA
(I'll call you up to dig this a bit) ! Triggers anything for
anybody else ?
* Multi Platform Entreprise Processes : from business
modeling to architecture and execution
Entreprise BPM solutions (such as BonitaSoft's, Activiti or
Spagic's) are usually single-deployment platform, in the
all-in-one & integrated spirit. However, multi-platform
processes, that is business processes that are translated to
several executable processes or code logic deployed on
different platforms, are becoming necessary in the entreprise.
Indeed, on the "several executable processes", side more and
more entreprise solutions (as Document Management,
Collaboration, Portals...) embed their own workflow engine.
And if it's not the case, there is even a better reason, that
stems from aligement on business : the "purely business"
process modeled first out of discussions with business users
will never match perfectly with the span of the underlaying
workflow solution, and some part of it will have to be
developed in custom code within existing applications, if only
forms and validation logic based on their existing internal
services.
This talk will show how Eclipse JWT (Java Workflow Tooling),
helped by the EasySOA service registry, allows to first design
a "purely business" process, then map parts of it onto
physical platforms in an architectural phase, and how
compatible SOA BPM solutions such as OW2 Scarbo 2 allow to
deploy and execute them.
=> on the "architecture" part, SCA (or Mangrove) editor
& people (Stéphane, Adrian, Alain) are very much welcome
to plug in. Other are welcome if they have things to say on
the topic (Marc and Stardust ??)
Regards,
Marc
(*)
business domain models
designed in Eclipse can valuably go in a Document Management
System (DMS)
along with generated documentation (such images, HTML, PDF)
and get a new life there as design documentation that is
versioned, published and available to all, from business users
to developers. Saying it otherwise,
there’s
a life for models after design time, and
that’s as reference and documentation.
Note that we are not talking
about collaborative model editing, as in Eclipse
Dawn
/
CDO, but at what happens once edition has ended and how
to make it valuable beyond Eclipse-using business analysts and
architects.
This is a larger problem than
specific Eclipse BPMN /
Mangrove integration with EasySOA
Core as demonstrated last year at the same place, that we
sought to answer with a far more generic solution. To make
things short, it involves the
CMIS
standard and its
Apache Chemistry client on the DMS side, and a
customizable
ATL model-to-model transformation with matching and
filtering strategies on the Eclipse EMF model side.
Our demonstration has been done
in the case of
Eclipse Java Workflow Tooling (JWT) models (for now it’s
been prototyped as an Eclipse JWT transformation). It’s been
tested to work with a bare
Nuxeo
DMS as well as with its
Alfresco
Open Source competitor. From here, we’d like to write an ATL
transformation more specific to the EasySOA Core extensions to
the Nuxeo model.
Le 03/07/2012 17:22, Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx
a écrit :
Gents,
as we could not address this in todays call:
I am proposing to submit a proposal for a joint
half or full day SOA/BPM track as a joint contribution for
Eclipse Con Europe. I had discussed this with a bunch of
program committee members already and they seem to like it.
If you agree we should gather presentation
abstracts this week – I am happy to assemble those for a
proposal we can all sign off over the weekend.
Thoughts?
Marc
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