Thanks,
Adrian.
Gents/Marc
– any update?
Marc
Hi
Marc,
Sorry
for the slow reply, on my side the proposal document looks
good. I’ll be happy to help with organising the track when
time comes.
Cheers
and thanks for your work on this.
Adrian.
Thanks, Marc. Just send
the update when you are done. I may have one more
contributor on the BPMN side, I will add.
Marc
Hi Marc
Indeed, great work !
* You're right, we could combine the first two
presentations, I don't want that much talking anyway, it was
more of a way to give ideas that would interest other
people.
* I still have to see whether Stéphane's as interested as I
think he is !
* finally, I'll improve my abstracts
... all ASAP in this beginning of the week.
Regards,
Marc
Le 08/07/2012 11:08, Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx
a écrit :
Gents,
here is the current
working draft for our submission. Some abstracts may need
a bit of tweaking. I suggest that we work on the document
with change tracking activated. I am happy to do the
merge.
Would be great to have
your input by EOB tomorrow.
Marc D., maybe we
should combine the first two presentations?
Thanks,
Marc
Sounds great, thanks a
lot Marc for your initiative.
Adrian.
Great, thanks. Sorted
then. I will create a draft of presentation titles,
abstracts and presenters as well as a few words on the
panel and send it to you guys for review over the weekend.
Marc
Hi Marc,
Thanks!
The panel discussion
also seems like a good idea. In fact anything that can
engage the audience and increase visibility would be
great, as it seems that at Eclipse CON US there was a
serious lack of content on this overall theme (which is a
pity as this theme is of high importance to companies).
Cheers,
Adrian.
Thanks, Marc/Adrian.
Seems that we have
· Marc Dutoo/Stéphane
Drapeau - A "documentation" Talk
· Marc Dutoo/Stéphane
Drapeau - Managing your SOA with Eclipse SOA and
EasySOA
· Marc Dutoo/Stéphane
Drapeau - Multi Platform Enterprise Processes : From
Business Modeling to Architecture and Execution
· Adrian Mos - DSL integration in
BPMS/SOA through Mangrove
· Marc Gille - Stardust - a
homogenous Runtime Environment for BPM, SOA and Document
Processing
This should give us a
critical mass for at least half a day if not more. Bob,
anything from your end?
I am happy to assemble
a compound abstract list from the mails below so that we
can adjust and submit early next week.
What do you guys think
about adding a panel discussion with all SOA PMC, take
questions/topics from the audience during the above
presentations, selecting a few and discussing those in the
panel?
Cheers,
Marc
From: Mos, Adrian [mailto:adrian.mos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Freitag, 6. Juli 2012 16:36
To: Marc Dutoo; SOA PMC mailing list
Cc: Gille, Marc; 'Stéphane Drapeau'
Subject: RE: [soa-pmc] Joint Submission for SOA
Track
Hi Marc,
I would certainly be
interested in taking part in this. I’m sorry I’m
completely over my head this week hence my slow (and
small) reply. I could contribute to a general presentation
by presenting how Mangrove fits in the overall picture as
well as talk about DSL integration in BPMS/SOA through
Mangrove, which could be interesting to a number of people
in the Eclipse community. Here’s a first draft of what I
could be talking about:
Designing business
process models and service oriented artifacts in Eclipse
is well supported by a variety of tools, such as the set
of editors available in the Eclipse SOA top-level
project. Similarly, many people use domain specific
editors to instantiate their DSLs. We aim to bridge the
two worlds in order to bring the power of DSL expressivity
into the SOA/BPM enterprise modeling tools while properly
leveraging SOA runtime support.
We will present and
demonstrate how popular Eclipse SOA modeling tools can be
connected with DSL editors while preserving consistency of
artifacts. We will show:
-
How business processes defined with Eclipse
BPMN editors can define DSL subprocesses that can
subsequently be refined in their respective DSL editors
-
How DSL-based processes can be exposed in
BPMN and SOA architectural diagrams (SCA)
-
The talk will
illustrate these points through practical demonstrations
using existing Eclipse editors. It will also show
practically how any DSL can be integrated in this manner
by highlighting the various plugins that need to be used.
The artifacts stored in the Mangrove instance will be
displayed visually using the new Mangrove editor.
Adrian.
Hi Marc
Here at Open Wide we're very much interested in such a
join track.
To start the ball rolling, here are a few talk ideas on
our side :
* a "documentation" talk.
Title ideas : "Models as operational documentation"," From
Eclipse EMF to CMIS document management", "Give a new life
to your models after design time, as operational
documentation in an ECM, with JWT as use case"
This topic has already been talked about in the PMC.
=> It could be enriched / revamped if other people
(Zsolt, Adrian, Stéphane, Alain, Marc) have things to
say on the "documentation" topic, or even want to
integrate their components (SCA, BPMN2) in this use case
/ this component.
A version has already been shown at Grenoble Juno
DemoCamp, see slides
http://www.slideshare.net/mdutoo/eclipse-democamp-2012ecmv05pub
Abstract is described in the second paragraph (*) at http://www.easysoa.org/2012/06/publishing-models-documentation-at-eclipse-juno-democamp-grenoble/
* Managing your SOA with Eclipse SOA and EasySOA
Now, this is only a follow-up of the previous one in the
case where the document management platform is actually
EasySOA v1 (should be ready by then).
There are two steps / themes.
** 1. Documenting your SOA with Eclipse SOA and EasySOA
We'd like to show how it allows to discover services
online & in the code, and mix this information up with
(Eclipse SOA) business & architecture models and
manual documentation in a single SOA documentation portal.
** 2. Getting back the control of your SOA with Eclipse
SOA and EasySOA
We'd like to show how EasySOA allows to detect
inconsistencies between modeled expectations and the
actual developed / deployed / tested SOA.
=> here also people welcome, especially Stéphane on
SCA (I'll call you up to dig this a bit) ! Triggers
anything for anybody else ?
* Multi Platform Entreprise Processes : from business
modeling to architecture and execution
Entreprise BPM solutions (such as BonitaSoft's, Activiti
or Spagic's) are usually single-deployment platform, in
the all-in-one & integrated spirit. However,
multi-platform processes, that is business processes that
are translated to several executable processes or code
logic deployed on different platforms, are becoming
necessary in the entreprise. Indeed, on the "several
executable processes", side more and more entreprise
solutions (as Document Management, Collaboration,
Portals...) embed their own workflow engine. And if it's
not the case, there is even a better reason, that stems
from aligement on business : the "purely business" process
modeled first out of discussions with business users will
never match perfectly with the span of the underlaying
workflow solution, and some part of it will have to be
developed in custom code within existing applications, if
only forms and validation logic based on their existing
internal services.
This talk will show how Eclipse JWT (Java Workflow
Tooling), helped by the EasySOA service registry, allows
to first design a "purely business" process, then map
parts of it onto physical platforms in an architectural
phase, and how compatible SOA BPM solutions such as OW2
Scarbo 2 allow to deploy and execute them.
=> on the "architecture" part, SCA (or Mangrove)
editor & people (Stéphane, Adrian, Alain) are very
much welcome to plug in. Other are welcome if they have
things to say on the topic (Marc and Stardust ??)
Regards,
Marc
(*)
business domain models
designed in Eclipse can valuably go in a Document
Management System (DMS)
along with generated documentation (such images, HTML,
PDF) and get a new life there as design documentation that
is versioned, published and available to all, from
business users to developers. Saying it otherwise, there’s a
life for models after design time, and
that’s as reference and documentation.
Note that we
are not talking about collaborative model editing, as in
Eclipse Dawn / CDO, but at what
happens once edition has ended and how to make it valuable
beyond Eclipse-using business analysts and architects.
This is a
larger problem than specific Eclipse BPMN / Mangrove
integration with EasySOA Core as demonstrated last year at
the same place, that we sought to answer with a far more
generic solution. To make things short, it involves the CMIS
standard and its Apache Chemistry
client on the DMS side, and a customizable ATL
model-to-model transformation with matching and filtering
strategies on the Eclipse EMF model side.
Our
demonstration has been done in the case of Eclipse Java Workflow Tooling
(JWT) models (for now it’s been prototyped as an Eclipse
JWT transformation). It’s been tested to work with a bare
Nuxeo
DMS as well as with its Alfresco Open
Source competitor. From here, we’d like to write an ATL
transformation more specific to the EasySOA Core
extensions to the Nuxeo model.
Le 03/07/2012 17:22, Marc.Gille@xxxxxxxxxxx
a écrit :
Gents,
as we could not address this in todays call:
I am proposing to submit a proposal for a
joint half or full day SOA/BPM track as a joint
contribution for Eclipse Con Europe. I had discussed this
with a bunch of program committee members already and they
seem to like it.
If you agree we should gather presentation
abstracts this week – I am happy to assemble those for a
proposal we can all sign off over the weekend.
Thoughts?
Marc
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