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Re: [sdv-wg] Heads-up and fyi about brainstorming session for SDV techcommunity
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  • Thread-topic: Heads-up and fyi about brainstorming session for SDV techcommunity

Dear all,


I feel encouraged to add some of my personal views to the discussion.

I do like architecture pictures as a means to get an idea of what we are talking about.

Well the AUTOSAR picture is nice. There are several different versions out, which are all kind of good but are all kind of lacking some aspects.

Many initiatives and companies have their individual view, which again from a high-level look similar but are different in the details.

Hence an architecture overview for me only makes sense if we would also define the boundary of each box, which is actually its interface (API).

Do we all agree on this to be a top priority?


Just coming out of a speech where the presenter stated focus first on the “why” and then the “what” I would suggest to identify important real-world questions that can be tackled by Eclipse SDV as they are not already addressed in other initiatives.

I am looking forward to feedback and further comments.







Von: sdv-wg <sdv-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> Im Auftrag von Kim.Gruettner@xxxxxx
Gesendet: Montag, 1. August 2022 17:25
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Betreff: Re: [sdv-wg] Heads-up and fyi about brainstorming session for SDV techcommunity


Dear all,


I fully support Aaron’s suggestion and I also like the suggested reference architecture picture of my former colleague Markus Oertel a lot.


After the definition of such a “reference architecture” (which captures a jointly agreed view on a future Automotive software architecture), the specific contributions from the SDV community could be mapped into this overall architecture.

Thus, providing important information about the usage context and possible integrations into existing commercial software architecture.

Furthermore, such a joint view could also serve to identify future fields of collaboration and become a starting point for joint roadmapping activities.


In the course of such a discussion, I also believe that the SDV community should consider the provision of a proof-of-concept implementation of (at least most important elements) of such a reference architecture, considering the full SW stack from the App level down to the BSP for a specific reference HW platform (which could also be virtualized based on QEMU etc.), well knowing that this requires serious effort and discipline, but might strongly facilitate the pick-up of SDV contributions into a broad spectrum of future vehicles.

A nice way of supporting such activities could be to either stem from existing and running public funded research projects. At least I do see a strong need for supporting sustainable integration and maintenance of currently started SDV activities and projects, but maybe this goes beyond the Eclipse SDV WG.


Kind regards,




Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt e.V. (DLR)

Institut Systems Engineering für zukünftige Mobilität | System Evolution and Operation | Escherweg 2 | 26121 Oldenburg


Dr. Kim Grüttner | Abteilungsleiter System Evolution and Operation (SE-EVO)

Telefon +49 441 770507 300 | Kim.Gruettner@xxxxxx | Institut Systems Engineering für zukünftige Mobilität


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回复: Heads-up and fyi about brainstorming session for SDV techcommunity


Hello Daniel&Tom,


Thank you for your meaningful work.


I am encouraged to see that we are trying to clearly define What we do and How we doregarding SDV. I think this is the fundamental question that we should answer first.


I suggest the big players (ETAS, Microsoft, Caraid etc) lead the community to make a reference architecture first, or a metro map, whatever the format it is, to guide the community. Otherwise people may feel lost.

Below is an example I collect from AOC-2022, hope its helpful for us.


Source: Vector, Vehicle OS_ Boost or Threat for AUTOSAR, Markus Oertel




Best Regards,




发件人: Krippner Daniel (SDV/EAR ETAS-VCS/ETH)
发送时间: 2022727 20:01
收件人: Software Defined Vehicle Working Group
主题: [sdv-wg] Heads-up and fyi about brainstorming session for SDV techcommunity



Hello SDV community,


Last week there was a brainstorming discussion between Tom Fleischmann (CARAID) and Daniel Krippner (Bosch/ETAS), touching a range of SDV-related topics. We’d like to give a summary of the points we focused on:


Automotive grade development process for Eclipse SDV projects

  • there is a general sense that prospective in-vehicle OSS software needs to be “automotive-grade”
  • what that specifically means needs to be elucidated going forward in the community
  • there exist very promising starting points for enabling projects to generate bespoke artifacts, one of them is are engineered requirements and the according tracing as proof, A good starting point can be OpenFastTrace: itsallcode/openfasttrace: Open source requirement tracing suite (
  • we would propose to have a show&tell for OpenFastTrace soon, for example in one of our tech alignment sessions and jointly reached out to the maintainers of the project.


Visualizing SDV-related communities

  • originally initiated from a set of collaboration workshops in SOAFEE, we spoke about the idea to create a x-initiative visualization of how SDV-related groups play together and how they align topically
  • there is a small prep work team in SOAFEE right now, beginning to discuss ideas for this – there might be a great opportunity to leverage Thomas’ subway map of the softwaredefined car


Orchestration layer for diverse workloads

  • in the light of the existing and expected diversity of in-vehicle technology stacks (AUTOSAR classic and adaptive, containers both CRI/OCI/non-OCI and more specialized implementations, package-managed systems, sandboxes like web assembly, etc) we discussed how as a community we might embrace this diversity.
  • We as well briefly discussed that CARAID is using northstar ( Northstar is written in RUST as is deemed a good fit for our future systems.
  • specific automotive-fit implementation details are tbd, but aligning ourselves around a orchestration layer (“control plane”) that we all can agree on and use to integrate runtime stacks might be a way forward that propels SDV towards becoming an actual ecosystem
  • this also might be a fruitful topic for one of our next tech alignment sessions


Looking forward for open discussions on the SDV mailing list within our community.


Best regards.

Daniel & Tom



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