Re: [platform-vision] Include JVM based languages in the Vision statemen

[Martin Lippert <mlippert@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hey Lars,

> Martin, as Pivotal employee, you might have close connections to Andy Clement from the Groovy tooling. I think Andy is the lead, but I'm not sure.

Andy is the lead of the small tooling team here at Pivotal that I am part of, so he is actually by boss… :-)

> If you have a connection, can you figure out if the Groovy tooling team would be willing to provide Gerrit reviews for their modifications in JDT core? Also if your Gradle tools team has certain requirements it would be good to know them. 

I can try to figure that out, sure. Since the AJDT weaving modifications to JDT, the Groovy-Eclipse JDT-based compiler and the Gradle tooling is all done by the same group (our tooling team), it should be pretty easy to get connected to them… :-)

I will raise that in our next team call and probably our meetings that we are going to have in 1,5 weeks from now.

Cheers,
-Martin




> 
> Best regards, Lars
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Daniel Megert <daniel_megert@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > If I understood Dani correctly that this would require additional resources, e.g., if Groovy wants improved support the Groovy developer would have to get involved as the JDT team does not have the resources to 
> > solve that alone. 
> 
> Almost. I said, that if parties are interest to do this then they have to *do* this. We've made attempts before, and I'll just repeat them here: 
> - A first attempt was made in 2005: http://www.eclipse.org/org/langsymp/, but when it came to do real work, there was silence. 
> - There is also something like a fork: a few years ago we've uploaded JDT Core to e4 (http://git.eclipse.org/c/e4/org.eclipse.jdt.core.git/) when people raised the voice that they want to work/help opening up JDT for Java-like languages (see bug 415563) - the number of commits in that repository is - guess what - zero. 
> 
> Dani 
> 
> 
> 
> From:        Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
> To:        For discussion regarding the future of the platform <platform-vision@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
> Date:        26.11.2014 18:19 
> Subject:        [platform-vision] Include JVM based languages in the Vision        statement? 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> one topic we discussed in the last weeks call was that we might want to include support for alternative JVM based languages into the vision.
> 
> So our statement could become (for example):
> 
> -----------
> In the shorter term, the Eclipse platform and related projects needs additional focus and resources on meeting the expectations of Java developers in particular. Quality, performance, out-of-the-box experience, Maven, Gradle and JVM based languages support, and close affiliation with new Java releases are all part of the solution. 
> ----------------
> 
> I think that would be a good signal for alternative JVM languages. 
> 
> If I understood Dani correctly that this would require additional resources, e.g., if Groovy wants improved support the Groovy developer would have to get involved as the JDT team does not have the resources to solve that alone. 
> 
> [Dani please correct me if that does not reflect our statement correctly.]
> 
> What do the others on this list think about this suggestion? +1, 0 or -1 for this suggestion?
> 
> Best regards, Lars 
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