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Re: [paho-dev] When to send publish acknowledgements

fwiw... a few months ago, I played with removing acknowledgements in the python (paho) library using v3. Mosquitto, at least, resends at an interval ... I don't recall exactly... between 20 and 60 seconds. I don't know what other implementations do. I seem to recall similar behaviour when publishing with the python library, so it seems to be the general practice. I confirmed that with v5 mosquitto does not do that, as others have described. This was one reason for me to lean towards using v5.



On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 9:12 AM Frank Pagliughi <fpagliughi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
OK. Got it. Thanks, everyone.

Frank

On 7/28/21 7:41 AM, Andy Stanford-Clark wrote:
in the olden days, we used to assume the publisher would retry the messages on a timer if it hadn't received the appropriate ack.

It took a while before we realised that TCP/IP actually does assured delivery, so as long as the connection is still intact, the original message WILL get there, and sending it again (particularly for large messages over slow links) just adds to the congestion.
Hence we gave the advice to only republish on a reconnect, but the "and other times if you want to" is a vestige of our earlier (lack of) )understanding.

Andy

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From:        "Roger Light" <roger@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:        "General development discussions for paho project" <paho-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        28/07/2021 00:27
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [paho-dev] When to send publish acknowledgements
Sent by:        "paho-dev" <paho-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>




Hi Ian,

I think you're mistaken - in v5.0 the broker/client must only retry
messages when it reconnects. In v3.1.1 it is required to retry
messages on reconnect, but it is not forbidden to retry messages in
other circumstances (I would argue that it is a bad idea to retry in
other circumstances though).

Regards,

Roger

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 20:08, Ian Craggs
<icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> No.  In MQTT 3.1.1 the broker only resends publishes (or pubrels) on the restart of a connection.  It would be up to the client library to keep the message queued up and retry until the application accepted the message.
>
> It could be a bit different in MQTT 5.0.  There is the opportunity for the client library to send a negative ack back to the broker - I don't know of any implementation that does that though.  In that case, I think the broker wouldn't (mustn't?) send a duplicate, but it could possibly take some other course of action.
>
> Ian
>
> On 27/07/2021 17:37, Frank Pagliughi wrote:
>
> Hello Ian and all,
>
> This issue just popped up again for the C++ library. I had not passed on the ability for the C++ apps to return a not-good value back to the library, and I would like to fix that now.
>
> But it does beg the question, as Greg had asked... If the app doesn't return an "OK" value, what happens next? Will the broker keep sending DUP messages until ACK'ed?
>
> Frank
>
> On 3/30/21 2:51 PM, Greg Troxel wrote:
>
> Ian Craggs <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
> if I understand you correctly, this is what I do in the C client.  I
> send the PUBACK or PUBCOMP (old style QoS 2) after the message handler
> callback has been invoked, and has returned a good result.
>
> What happens if the handler runs for a very long time (in a thread?)?
>
> What happens if it returns some kind of not good result?
>
> Isn't the MQTT implementation still required to ack the message, even if
> the client that wants it is misbehaving?  Or is there some support in
> the specification that the acks are supposed to be from the program that
> is using MQTT?
>
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