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Re: [paho-dev] Java MQTT Client GUI Utility & mqtt-spy
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Hi Ian,
No worries. Once I get version 0.1.0 of mqtt-spy out, I'll start
working on proper Eclipse headers for all source code files and
familiarise myself with Gerrit as I haven't used it before
In relation to Git repositories - whatever is best for Paho. Going
forward, I'm wondering whether it would be easier for us to manage
mqtt-spy with a separate Git repository, as it already grew in size a
bit. E.g. "org.eclipse.paho.mqtt-spy.git" or
"org.eclipse.paho.apps.mqtt-spy.git", and keep the existing
"org.eclipse.paho.apps.git" for various samples. Also, if more people
wanted to contribute to mqtt-spy, or there are more tools in Paho,
which option would be better in your view? If you think having it in a
separate Git repository will be too much hassle then we can stick to
"org.eclipse.paho.apps.git".
I'd be very happy to become a committer and take up the necessary
responsibilities. This would also make any future enhancements I'm
hoping to make to mqtt-spy much easier. I don't mind having only
access to mqtt-spy/apps repo either. I'm flexible... ;-)
Kamil
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Ian Craggs
<icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Kamil,
>
> thanks for following up! I thought my last reponse might have been
> unnecessarily negative -- I'm just trying to work out the best way to
> organize the whole project. I'd love to see mqtt-spy in Paho.
>
> We use Gerrit to handle contributions -- that is the best way. See the
> Gerrit section on this page:
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/Handling_Git_Contributions.
> The code will need the proper Eclipse headers (see any other files for
> examples). Names and namespaces can be changed after the code is accepted.
>
> I'm thinking it should go into the apps repository
> http://git.eclipse.org/c/paho/org.eclipse.paho.apps.git/? The alternatives
> would be the java repository, or a repository of its own. What do you
> think?
>
> The reason I mentioned the difference between committers and contributors is
> because if you remained a contributor, then you would have to submit new
> updates to the mqtt-spy code through gerrit. Then a Paho committer would
> commit the update.
>
> To commit directly yourself, you would have to be, as the name implies, a
> committer. But being a committer means having more responsibility for the
> project.
> (http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/#4_7_Committers_and_Contributors).
> If you are happy to be a contributor for now, then you don't need to worry
> about this :-)
>
> Ian
>
>
> On 06/10/14 16:40, Kamil Baczkowicz wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> Thanks for the info. Could you advise on what would be the next steps
>> for donating/moving mqtt-spy to Paho?
>>
>> Q: So far all Java and XML packages/namespaces are referencing my
>> personal domain, so should any changes to these Java package names or
>> XML namespaces happen before the move or after? Does it matter?
>>
>> Kamil
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Ian Craggs
>> <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kamil,
>>>
>>> sorry, your email got filed in my brain's to-do list, and only just made
>>> it
>>> back up.
>>>
>>> A discussion here is fine, at least to start with.
>>>
>>> Some information about contributions is in the CONTRIBUTING.md file in
>>> each
>>> repository, and can be viewed here:
>>> http://git.eclipse.org/c/paho/org.eclipse.paho.mqtt.c.git/about/
>>>
>>> Committers on Eclipse projects can write directly to the repositories.
>>> Contributors submit changes to gerrit (the git code review system), which
>>> are then reviewed by committers before adding them to the repositories.
>>>
>>> I mention this because on "traditional" Eclipse projects, contributors
>>> become committers by a vote of the current committers, after establishing
>>> a
>>> record of contributions. With Paho being more a collection of separate
>>> components, this model doesn't seem to work so well -- I think you would
>>> expect to be the committer for your code.
>>>
>>> I'll have to think about how the project is going to work... a
>>> sub-project
>>> as suggested by Ian Skerrett might be a good option.
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/19/2014 10:34 PM, Kamil Baczkowicz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ian, Andy,
>>>>
>>>> I'd be very happy to make mqtt-spy a Paho component. What would be the
>>>> best way forward then? Would it be easier to discuss those
>>>> technicalities offline or here?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Kamil
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Ian Craggs
>>>> <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/11/2014 12:58 PM, Kamil Baczkowicz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks everyone for your replies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Re existing Paho tools
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To sum up, I gather that Paho has the following utilities available
>>>>>> (correct me if I'm wrong):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) Eclipse MQTT UI Plugin & standalone client based on Eclipse Rich
>>>>>> Client Platform - as mentioned by Bin
>>>>>> b) Standalone Paho MQTT Utility (port of the IBM Java GUI / IA92) - as
>>>>>> mentioned by Andy and Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> c) there is also an Eclipse view originally contributed by Eurotech at
>>>>> http://git.eclipse.org/c/paho/org.eclipse.paho.esf.git/tree/. It's a
>>>>> possibility it could be replaced by a) above.
>>>>>
>>>>>> What could help with promoting the above:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - mention them all on the Paho webpage
>>>>>> - decide on uniform names and stick to them, e.g. Paho Eclipse MQTT UI
>>>>>> Plug-in, Paho MQTT UI (standalone), Paho MQTT Utility (IA92 port)
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with all of that. The only reason we hadn't so far is because
>>>>> I
>>>>> had
>>>>> intended some sort of rationalization of the tools first. But now I've
>>>>> realized it's better to publicize, because they could each have their
>>>>> niches.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then, there are two other pages where various tools are listed (so
>>>>>> this might need an update too):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -http://mqtt.org/wiki/doku.php/tools
>>>>>> -https://github.com/mqtt/mqtt.github.io/wiki/tools
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Q: do we need two pages? Maybe we should put a link from one to
>>>>>> another?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the plan is that mqtt.org will redirect to the github site. I'm
>>>>> speaking to Andy Piper about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be happy to offer my help/time in relation to all the above if you
>>>>>> need it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the offer :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) mqtt-spy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with all of you that having different GUIs and implementations
>>>>>> is good, as very often choosing one is down to personal preferences
>>>>>> and/or system requirements/limitations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm happy to contribute the code, and I'm happy to keep working on it
>>>>>> for the foreseeable future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Questions from my side:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) Would you rather see mqtt-spy as a Paho utility, or a separate
>>>>>> Eclipse IoT project (similar to mosquitto & moquette)? Does it make
>>>>>> any difference?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would be best as a Paho component - this is what Paho was
>>>>> intended for. However, I do have an incentive to gather good MQTT
>>>>> tools
>>>>> under the Paho umbrella! There is an overhead in proposing, creating
>>>>> and
>>>>> managing a separate Eclipse project, which you might find excessive.
>>>>> The
>>>>> advantage to you could be a higher profile for mqtt-spy, I guess.
>>>>> Although
>>>>> in reality the visibility of mqtt-spy could be more down to your
>>>>> efforts
>>>>> in
>>>>> publicity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> b) Following the move to Eclipse, what are your views on the project's
>>>>>> name and a simple page dedicated to it? (e.g. similar to what's
>>>>>> current there athttps://code.google.com/p/mqtt-spy/)
>>>>>
>>>>> The project's name could remain exactly the same. As you point out
>>>>> above,
>>>>> having readily identifiable names for the tools will help a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I also have a few more technical questions about maintaining/running
>>>>>> the project under Paho/Eclipse umbrella, but probably better to
>>>>>> discuss that offline with someone - who could advise me on that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Kamil
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Ian Craggs
>>>>>> <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Benjamin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yep, got it. I was just adding the information that I had actually
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Marketplace before, as Andy did not realize that :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the info
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/10/2014 04:03 PM, Benjamin Cabé wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What Andy and Mike are suggesting regarding the marketplace goes a
>>>>>>> step
>>>>>>> further than having a Paho entry on the Marketplace (which is a great
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> already, don’t get me wrong!).
>>>>>>> The idea would be to have an entry dedicated to the MQTT UI plugin,
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> addition to the description etc of the project, you would also
>>>>>>> indicate
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> URL of the p2 repository and feature ID of the tool. That way, people
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> install the tool directly by drag and dropping from the web browser
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> Eclipse (see e.g. [1] and the « Install » button on the lhs), or
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> search for « paho » or « mqtt » in the Marketplace right from their
>>>>>>> Eclipse
>>>>>>> IDE (entry in the Help menu).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH!
>>>>>>> Benjamin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]http://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/eclipse-scada-configurator#
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 10 sept. 2014 à 16:55, Ian Craggs<icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I added Paho as a whole to the Eclipse Marketplace in June
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://marketplace.eclipse.org/search/site/paho
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/10/2014 12:21 PM, Andy Piper wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK so let's be clear on the two parts to this thread!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Our existing Java GUIs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had planned to do a screencast showing how to install the Eclipse
>>>>>>> plugin
>>>>>>> at the time of 1.0 release but didn't get it done. We need to promote
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> more; we might need help on getting it into the Marketplace as I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> the committers have previously been through that process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We also have the client tool which is standalone / non-RCP / doesn't
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> Eclipse. Also not well promoted / known, lots of people still use
>>>>>>> IA92
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is essentially the same thing but built on much much older client
>>>>>>> code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. mqtt-spy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I love it, I think it's perfectly valid to include as an alternative,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> we'd welcome (I think) the contribution. Thanks Kamil! Any questions
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>> as a team?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Ian Craggs
>>>>>>> <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's also a simple and incomplete port of the IBM Java GUI at:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/paho/1.0/org.eclipse.paho.mqtt.utility-1.0.0.jar
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I started that a while back to get a simple GUI going. I still
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> that this approach is valuable in addition to the RCP GUI because:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) it is 200k rather than 22MB, so is good for quick downloads and
>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>> platforms
>>>>>>>> 2) it can run anywhere Java can - is not limited to Linux, Mac and
>>>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kamil,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see that mqtt-spy uses JavaFX, and uses Java 8. The interface
>>>>>>>> approach
>>>>>>>> also looks nice. It seems to me that all of these utilities could
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> complementary, and have a useful place in Paho, because of their
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> system requirements and GUI styles. People always have different
>>>>>>>> preferences for GUIs. So personalIy I would still encourage you to
>>>>>>>> consider
>>>>>>>> contributing mqtt-spy to Paho.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 09/10/2014 03:54 AM, Bin BJ Zhang wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact, Paho already got a client UI tool available for a long time
>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>> can be run as a eclipse plugin or standalone application (based on
>>>>>>>> Eclipse
>>>>>>>> Rich Client Platform).
>>>>>>>> But, it seems nobody has tried. A screenshot
>>>>>>>> here:http://pho.to/6ySi2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://repo.eclipse.org/content/repositories/paho-releases/org/eclipse/paho/org.eclipse.paho.ui.app/1.0.0/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-linux.gtk.x86.tar.gz
>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-linux.gtk.x86_64.tar.gz
>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-macosx.cocoa.x86_64.tar.gz
>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-win32.win32.x86.zip
>>>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-win32.win32.x86_64.zip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>> Bin Zhang
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> WebSphere MQ, IBM China Software Development Lab
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <Pièce jointe.gif>Kamil Baczkowicz ---09/09/2014 11:28:03 PM---Hi
>>>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>>> Following a quick chat with Andy P, he suggested posting a message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Kamil Baczkowicz<kamil.baczkowicz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To:paho-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>> Date: 09/09/2014 11:28 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [paho-dev] Java MQTT Client GUI Utility & mqtt-spy
>>>>>>>> Sent by:paho-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Following a quick chat with Andy P, he suggested posting a message
>>>>>>>> here to discuss, again;-), the idea of a Java MQTT Client GUI
>>>>>>>> utility
>>>>>>>> (for Paho).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Over the last couple of weeks and months I've been working on
>>>>>>>> mqtt-spy. It's still far from perfect, so any feedback or help is
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> much appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From start, my intention was to make the code open and available
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe you've been thinking about a Java MQTT Client GUI Utility
>>>>>>>> for quite some time, so the question is whether you still need or
>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>>>> one?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If yes, I was wondering whether mqtt-spy could fill that gap,
>>>>>>>> avoiding
>>>>>>>> duplication of effort, and potentially helping you when working on
>>>>>>>> Paho.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My goal for mqtt-spy is to create a functional, easy-to-use and
>>>>>>>> robust
>>>>>>>> test tool for MQTT, Once all necessary features are available, I'd
>>>>>>>> also like to open it to other pub/sub protocols if time allows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What are your views on that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Kamil
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