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Re: [paho-dev] Java MQTT Client GUI Utility & mqtt-spy
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Hi Ian,
Thanks for the info. Could you advise on what would be the next steps
for donating/moving mqtt-spy to Paho?
Q: So far all Java and XML packages/namespaces are referencing my
personal domain, so should any changes to these Java package names or
XML namespaces happen before the move or after? Does it matter?
Kamil
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Ian Craggs
<icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Kamil,
>
> sorry, your email got filed in my brain's to-do list, and only just made it
> back up.
>
> A discussion here is fine, at least to start with.
>
> Some information about contributions is in the CONTRIBUTING.md file in each
> repository, and can be viewed here:
> http://git.eclipse.org/c/paho/org.eclipse.paho.mqtt.c.git/about/
>
> Committers on Eclipse projects can write directly to the repositories.
> Contributors submit changes to gerrit (the git code review system), which
> are then reviewed by committers before adding them to the repositories.
>
> I mention this because on "traditional" Eclipse projects, contributors
> become committers by a vote of the current committers, after establishing a
> record of contributions. With Paho being more a collection of separate
> components, this model doesn't seem to work so well -- I think you would
> expect to be the committer for your code.
>
> I'll have to think about how the project is going to work... a sub-project
> as suggested by Ian Skerrett might be a good option.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 09/19/2014 10:34 PM, Kamil Baczkowicz wrote:
>>
>> Ian, Andy,
>>
>> I'd be very happy to make mqtt-spy a Paho component. What would be the
>> best way forward then? Would it be easier to discuss those
>> technicalities offline or here?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Kamil
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Ian Craggs
>> <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 09/11/2014 12:58 PM, Kamil Baczkowicz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone for your replies.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Re existing Paho tools
>>>>
>>>> To sum up, I gather that Paho has the following utilities available
>>>> (correct me if I'm wrong):
>>>>
>>>> a) Eclipse MQTT UI Plugin & standalone client based on Eclipse Rich
>>>> Client Platform - as mentioned by Bin
>>>> b) Standalone Paho MQTT Utility (port of the IBM Java GUI / IA92) - as
>>>> mentioned by Andy and Ian
>>>
>>> c) there is also an Eclipse view originally contributed by Eurotech at
>>> http://git.eclipse.org/c/paho/org.eclipse.paho.esf.git/tree/. It's a
>>> possibility it could be replaced by a) above.
>>>
>>>> What could help with promoting the above:
>>>>
>>>> - mention them all on the Paho webpage
>>>> - decide on uniform names and stick to them, e.g. Paho Eclipse MQTT UI
>>>> Plug-in, Paho MQTT UI (standalone), Paho MQTT Utility (IA92 port)
>>>
>>> I agree with all of that. The only reason we hadn't so far is because I
>>> had
>>> intended some sort of rationalization of the tools first. But now I've
>>> realized it's better to publicize, because they could each have their
>>> niches.
>>>
>>>> Then, there are two other pages where various tools are listed (so
>>>> this might need an update too):
>>>>
>>>> -http://mqtt.org/wiki/doku.php/tools
>>>> -https://github.com/mqtt/mqtt.github.io/wiki/tools
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Q: do we need two pages? Maybe we should put a link from one to another?
>>>
>>> I think the plan is that mqtt.org will redirect to the github site. I'm
>>> speaking to Andy Piper about it.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be happy to offer my help/time in relation to all the above if you
>>>> need it.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the offer :-)
>>>>
>>>> 2) mqtt-spy
>>>>
>>>> I agree with all of you that having different GUIs and implementations
>>>> is good, as very often choosing one is down to personal preferences
>>>> and/or system requirements/limitations.
>>>>
>>>> I'm happy to contribute the code, and I'm happy to keep working on it
>>>> for the foreseeable future.
>>>>
>>>> Questions from my side:
>>>>
>>>> a) Would you rather see mqtt-spy as a Paho utility, or a separate
>>>> Eclipse IoT project (similar to mosquitto & moquette)? Does it make
>>>> any difference?
>>>
>>> I think it would be best as a Paho component - this is what Paho was
>>> intended for. However, I do have an incentive to gather good MQTT tools
>>> under the Paho umbrella! There is an overhead in proposing, creating and
>>> managing a separate Eclipse project, which you might find excessive. The
>>> advantage to you could be a higher profile for mqtt-spy, I guess.
>>> Although
>>> in reality the visibility of mqtt-spy could be more down to your efforts
>>> in
>>> publicity.
>>>>
>>>> b) Following the move to Eclipse, what are your views on the project's
>>>> name and a simple page dedicated to it? (e.g. similar to what's
>>>> current there athttps://code.google.com/p/mqtt-spy/)
>>>
>>> The project's name could remain exactly the same. As you point out
>>> above,
>>> having readily identifiable names for the tools will help a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I also have a few more technical questions about maintaining/running
>>>> the project under Paho/Eclipse umbrella, but probably better to
>>>> discuss that offline with someone - who could advise me on that?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Kamil
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Ian Craggs
>>>> <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Benjamin,
>>>>>
>>>>> yep, got it. I was just adding the information that I had actually
>>>>> used
>>>>> the
>>>>> Marketplace before, as Andy did not realize that :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the info
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/10/2014 04:03 PM, Benjamin Cabé wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian,
>>>>>
>>>>> What Andy and Mike are suggesting regarding the marketplace goes a step
>>>>> further than having a Paho entry on the Marketplace (which is a great
>>>>> thing
>>>>> already, don’t get me wrong!).
>>>>> The idea would be to have an entry dedicated to the MQTT UI plugin,
>>>>> where
>>>>> in
>>>>> addition to the description etc of the project, you would also indicate
>>>>> the
>>>>> URL of the p2 repository and feature ID of the tool. That way, people
>>>>> could
>>>>> install the tool directly by drag and dropping from the web browser to
>>>>> Eclipse (see e.g. [1] and the « Install » button on the lhs), or could
>>>>> search for « paho » or « mqtt » in the Marketplace right from their
>>>>> Eclipse
>>>>> IDE (entry in the Help menu).
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH!
>>>>> Benjamin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]http://marketplace.eclipse.org/content/eclipse-scada-configurator#
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 10 sept. 2014 à 16:55, Ian Craggs<icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> a
>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I added Paho as a whole to the Eclipse Marketplace in June
>>>>>
>>>>> http://marketplace.eclipse.org/search/site/paho
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/10/2014 12:21 PM, Andy Piper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OK so let's be clear on the two parts to this thread!
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Our existing Java GUIs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had planned to do a screencast showing how to install the Eclipse
>>>>> plugin
>>>>> at the time of 1.0 release but didn't get it done. We need to promote
>>>>> it
>>>>> more; we might need help on getting it into the Marketplace as I don't
>>>>> think
>>>>> the committers have previously been through that process.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have the client tool which is standalone / non-RCP / doesn't
>>>>> need
>>>>> Eclipse. Also not well promoted / known, lots of people still use IA92
>>>>> which
>>>>> is essentially the same thing but built on much much older client code.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. mqtt-spy
>>>>>
>>>>> I love it, I think it's perfectly valid to include as an alternative,
>>>>> and
>>>>> we'd welcome (I think) the contribution. Thanks Kamil! Any questions
>>>>> for
>>>>> us
>>>>> as a team?
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Ian Craggs
>>>>> <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's also a simple and incomplete port of the IBM Java GUI at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/paho/1.0/org.eclipse.paho.mqtt.utility-1.0.0.jar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I started that a while back to get a simple GUI going. I still think
>>>>>> that this approach is valuable in addition to the RCP GUI because:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) it is 200k rather than 22MB, so is good for quick downloads and
>>>>>> small
>>>>>> platforms
>>>>>> 2) it can run anywhere Java can - is not limited to Linux, Mac and
>>>>>> Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kamil,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that mqtt-spy uses JavaFX, and uses Java 8. The interface
>>>>>> approach
>>>>>> also looks nice. It seems to me that all of these utilities could be
>>>>>> complementary, and have a useful place in Paho, because of their
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> system requirements and GUI styles. People always have different
>>>>>> preferences for GUIs. So personalIy I would still encourage you to
>>>>>> consider
>>>>>> contributing mqtt-spy to Paho.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/10/2014 03:54 AM, Bin BJ Zhang wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, Paho already got a client UI tool available for a long time
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> can be run as a eclipse plugin or standalone application (based on
>>>>>> Eclipse
>>>>>> Rich Client Platform).
>>>>>> But, it seems nobody has tried. A screenshot here:http://pho.to/6ySi2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://repo.eclipse.org/content/repositories/paho-releases/org/eclipse/paho/org.eclipse.paho.ui.app/1.0.0/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-linux.gtk.x86.tar.gz
>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-linux.gtk.x86_64.tar.gz
>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-macosx.cocoa.x86_64.tar.gz
>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-win32.win32.x86.zip
>>>>>> org.eclipse.paho.ui.app-1.0.0-win32.win32.x86_64.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> Bin Zhang
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> WebSphere MQ, IBM China Software Development Lab
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Pièce jointe.gif>Kamil Baczkowicz ---09/09/2014 11:28:03 PM---Hi all,
>>>>>> Following a quick chat with Andy P, he suggested posting a message
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Kamil Baczkowicz<kamil.baczkowicz@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To:paho-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Date: 09/09/2014 11:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [paho-dev] Java MQTT Client GUI Utility & mqtt-spy
>>>>>> Sent by:paho-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following a quick chat with Andy P, he suggested posting a message
>>>>>> here to discuss, again;-), the idea of a Java MQTT Client GUI utility
>>>>>> (for Paho).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the last couple of weeks and months I've been working on
>>>>>> mqtt-spy. It's still far from perfect, so any feedback or help is very
>>>>>> much appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From start, my intention was to make the code open and available to
>>>>>> anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe you've been thinking about a Java MQTT Client GUI Utility
>>>>>> for quite some time, so the question is whether you still need or want
>>>>>> one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If yes, I was wondering whether mqtt-spy could fill that gap, avoiding
>>>>>> duplication of effort, and potentially helping you when working on
>>>>>> Paho.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My goal for mqtt-spy is to create a functional, easy-to-use and robust
>>>>>> test tool for MQTT, Once all necessary features are available, I'd
>>>>>> also like to open it to other pub/sub protocols if time allows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are your views on that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Kamil
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>>>>>> icraggs@xxxxxxxxxx IBM United Kingdom
>>>>>> Committer on Paho, Mosquitto
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