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Re: [ospo.zone] OSPO Alliance collaboration infrastructure
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Hello,
Issues,
discussions, etc. remain on the self-hosted instance ?
For the moment, yes, but there's some work being done on a
federative and synchronization mechanism :
https://lab.forgefriends.org/friendlyforgeformat
Regarding the location of the repo, having our own repo and
maintaining a clone on GitHub and GitLab allows to reap the
benefits of visibility and, simultaneously, data ownership.
The external repos serve only to increase awareness and to gather
statistics on visitors. The users of such repos already know what
to do when the they are redirected to another site.
Best regards,
Gerardo Lisboa
Presidente da Direcção - Chairman of the Board
Hi,
So we're looking for a compromise between joining the crowd for
better visibility, adoption rate and confort (GitHub) and start
off with the need of control and independence trend (self-hosted
/ service-hosted, own domain name).
While globally in favour of the second view, I think the price
to pay concerning the Git repository in terms of adoption and
visibility is way too high.
I tend to favour GitLab.com over GitHub.com because
- it is already very well known and would not stop people from
joining there
- is somewhat an open source (no troll intended)
-> still makes migration to a local GitLab instance easy
-> GGI and GGI-board repositories will be migrated in 2
minutes.
Mirroring the repository is a nice idea, but I guess that only
source code is concerned, right ? Issues, discussions, etc.
remain on the self-hosted instance ?
--
Nicolas Toussaint - Open Source Expert
OBS/SMS, OBS Open Source Program Office (OSPO)
OBS - Orange Business Services - Lyon, France
Tel: +33 608 763 559
I am fully aligned with Hendrik,
Thomas
The problem that I see is the
contribution. People often do not want to learn new
workflows, tools, UIs. I have seen this in projects like
JavaEE or Eclipse Adoptium. By using / moving to GitHub the
interest in contribution has grown (no numbers, only my gut
feeling). I assume the same can be seen by the OpenJDK that
now provides way better workflows for contributors since
they have moved to GitHub:
- User can use already existing
accounts & keys
- User already now the UI and now how
to create Issues / pull requests
- The projects can benefit from a rich
ecosystem and do not need to reimplement functionality for
workflows (like signing CLA for PRs, …)
I can understand the wish to be as
independent as possible and host solutions on its own but
for some use cases the „standard / widely used“ solutions
are a better way to go if the project should be open and
easy to access.
Based on that I assume the other way
would be better: Host repos on GitHub and make the
contribution easy but mirror them on a OSPA Alliance
infrastructure for special use cases and worst case
scenarios (like end of GitHub).
The trend needs to be away from
centralisation on other peoples' domains and
towards federated services hosted on domains one
controls, whether self-hosted or service-hosted.
That way when there is a legal or social issue
with a platform provider once does not need to
engage in emergency rehosting. If we are indeed
going to build a community on any domains it is a
mistake to place that community under the control
of a third party.
Gerardo's suggestion - host
using Gitea (etc) on our own domain and mirroring
to centralised services like Github - seems a good
compromise. Given we are at the start of a journey
and have the option to adopt best practices now,
hosting on domains OSPO Alliance owns rather than
on domains owned by reputation farmers seems
smart!
@Gerardo: Why would you not
use GitHub directly? What concerns do you
have?
Hendrik
Hi,
I
wouldn't mind using GitHub and
Gitlab but only as mirrors from the
official repo.
Updating
could be made part of the CI
automation.
Best
regards,
Gerardo
Lisboa
Sócio-Gerente / CEO
Às 10:47 de
17/01/2023, Hendrik Ebbers
escreveu:
Hi,
from my point of view GitHub is
the place to be. It is much easier
to create a community at GitHub
than at any other provider /
service. Next to this the support
for OSS is excellent.
Hendrik
Hi,
Equally enthusiastic on
the overall approach ;
It's just a short-term
pain with huge longer
term benefits.
I would have one reserve
however for the Gitea
instance - appart from a
few huge open source
communities, it does not
look common to me to
host code outside of
GitHub.com or GitLab.com -
and doing so puts us a
bit appart, and make
forking the project less
of an instant action.
If we want to go
independant from the
Eclipe/OW2 instances, I
would rather move to GitLab.com
nico
--
Nicolas Toussaint - Open
Source Expert
OBS/SMS, OBS Open Source
Program Office (OSPO)
OBS - Orange Business
Services - Lyon, France
Tel: +33 608 763 559
On 17/01/2023 08:16,
Boris Baldassari wrote:
Hiho
Florent, all,
That sounds great,
thanks to both of you
(Paolo and Florent)
for the work!
In my humble opinion
the short-lived
trouble is absolutely
worth the benefits in
terms of dissemination
(with our own domain
name) and ease of use
(with SSO).
Having it all hosted
in Europe and entirely
built on OSS solutions
is also, obviously, an
important feature.
So it's an
enthusiastic +1 from
me. Thanks!
--
boris
On 17/01/2023 08:00,
Florent Zara wrote:
Dear
OSPO Alliance
Community,
With the
communication task
force and the help
of Paolo Vecchi from
Omniscloud, we're
working on
streamlining our
collaboration and
communication tools
as
they are currently
spreaded all over
the web.FYI, here is
a recap of the
current situation:
1. For our regular
video calls, we're
using different
instances of Jitsi
-
https://jitsi.hivane.net/OW2OSSGoodGovernance <https://jitsi.hivane.net/OW2OSSGoodGovernance
for OSS Governance
-
https://meet.jit.si/ospo.onramp <https://meet.jit.si/ospo.onramp
However,
- some of you
have regular
troubles to connect
easily to Jitsi
- recordings are
unreliable as it
depends on the
machine of one
volunteer and it's
done locally with
the configuration of
these instances (at
least the
jit.si
<http://jit.si/
2. Mailing-lists are
spreaded all over
the place, requiring
to create multiple
accounts sometimes
- OW2 for the GGI
one
- Eclipse
Foundation for the
members / general
one
-
Framalistes.org
for the On Ramp
people
3. Our videos are
hosted on a Peertube
instance hosted by a
very nice but small
French editor that
is not a direct
supporter of the
Alliance and whose
primary job is not
hosting
4. Collaborative
Pads are provided by
Boris B.
5. Our Git
repositories are
located at
- OW2
- Eclipse
Paolo is offering to
host us and our
services, free of
charge as he has
some space for us.
The idea is to use
our own domain name
where possible and
it makes
sense (i.e.
ospo-alliance.org
<http://ospo-alliance.org/
The proposition is
the following
1. Meetings /
conference
- Use the
BigBlueButton of
OpenCloud.lu
bbb.opencloud.lu/
<http://bbb.opencloud.lu/
We're alrealdy usgin
it for our regular
meetings to solve
the above
mentioned issues
- Using our
domain is not
required.
2. Mailing-List
- Have our own
instance of Sympa or
Discourse with an
email bridge, hosted
by OpenCloud
- Use our own
domain name :
something like
lists.open-alliance.org <http://lists.open-alliance.org/
or
discourse.ospo-alliance.org
<http://discourse.ospo-alliance.org/
3. Video hosting
- Have our own
federated instance
of Peertube hosted
by OpenCloud
- Use our own
domain name with a
sub-domain :
videos.ospo-alliance.org <http://videos.ospo-alliance.org/
4. Collaborative
pads
- Have our own
instance of etherpad
+ mypad plugin
https://framagit.org/framasoft/Etherpad/ep_mypads <https://framagit.org/framasoft/Etherpad/ep_mypads
- Use our own
domain name with a
sub-domain :
pads.ospo-alliance.org <http://pads.ospo-alliance.org/
5. Git
- deploy our
instance of Gitea
(full open source
equivalent of
GitLab) or its
community "soft
fork" Forgero
- Use our own
domain name with a
subdomain :
git.ospo-alliance.org <http://git.ospo-alliance.org/
- Move all
existing git
repositories there
- We will find a
space where to host
the website and use
Boris Jenkins for
the CI tools as the
one from Gitea is
currently in Beta.
6. SSO
- Deploy
Univention portal to
have a single point
of entry and
minimize account
creation.
- see examples :
https://hq.gaia-x.lu/ <https://hq.gaia-x.lu/
&
https://hq.syn2cat.lu/ <https://hq.syn2cat.lu/
Please note that
Paolo is an active
supporter of our
community and the
head of
https://omniscloud.eu/ <https://omniscloud.eu/
His company hosts
services
based on Open Source
solutions. That's
why he proposed to
set-up and host all
this for the OSPO
Alliance community.
You may meet him
during some OnRamp
session. We can find
an overview of what
he has done for
Gaia-X:
https://hq.gaia-x.lu/ <https://hq.gaia-x.lu/
and the
hackerspace Syn2cat:
https://hq.syn2cat.lu/ <https://hq.syn2cat.lu/
Please let us know
if you have a strong
and motivated no-go
on this project to
streamline our
infrastructure.
Otherwise, we will
start to work with
the
communication task
force and Paolo to
move the services
one by one. There
might be some
friction sometimes
but the volume of
data is quite
limited currently
and the
inconvenience should
therefore be limited
in time and
importance.
Have a nice day
--
Florent Zara
Eclipse Foundation
+33 6 24 25 17 08
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