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Re: [microprofile-wg] Proposal: Host MicroProfile in Jakarta EE
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- From: Reza Rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 17:17:03 -0400
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This is a follow-up to today's MicroProfile Community Call. In
addition to the important points stated the email I am responding
to, Microsoft would like to add the following discussion points.
* As part of the process of moving MicroProfile to Jakarta EE, we
would be very supportive of concrete recommendations for improving
the vendor neutrality and openness of the Jakarta EE Working
Group. For example, it is sensible to tentatively open the Jakarta
EE Steering, Marketing, and Specification Committees to all
observers as long as it does not prove to be too disruptive for
decision makers with binding votes. Similarly, we would welcome a
proposal to add one more voting Participant Member seat to the
Steering Committee. Today eligible JUGs may join as Participant
Members for free: https://www.eclipse.org/org/workinggroups/jakarta_ee_charter.php.
Indeed, LJC is actually the elected Participant Member in the
Steering Committee today: https://jakarta.ee/committees/steering/.
* It is important to properly evaluate if a small number of
MicroProfile specifications should actually be incorporated as
sub-specs of existing Jakarta EE specifications as opposed to net
new specifications under Jakarta EE outright. For example, it may
actually make the best sense to incorporate Rest Client into
Jakarta REST and JWT Authentication into Jakarta Security. There
is certainly some precedent for this. JPA was a sub-spec of EJB
for a time. Similarly, Interceptors was essentially a sub-spec of
CDI. The incorporated APIs into a sub-spec could still retain the
jakarta.microprofile.* namespace to maintain some reasonable level
of branding continuity.
We understand a resolution will be tabled by IBM/Red Hat for vote
by the MicroProfile Working Group as early as next week. We hope
the resolution will take into account the input from Microsoft so
far and we will very much look forward to strongly supporting it.
On 3/19/2025 5:19 PM, Reza Rahman
wrote:
This is a great direction and it is an easy +1 from Microsoft.
In terms of naming, things like Jakarta Health is a lot less of
a mouthful than Jakarta MicroProfile Health. We do believe
maintaining the MicroProfile brand and differentiation is
important and valuable. For example, the resulting new Jakarta
Profile could be called "Micro Profile". Similarly, associated
sensible package names that would be clear to the community and
customers could be: jakarta.microprofile.*. Unfortunately things
like org.microprofile.* inside Jakarta EE may prove to be too
confusing as it implies a separate domain.
From a Microsoft standpoint, we will do whatever we sensibly can
to ensure this is not seen as a zero sum outcome dynamic for
anyone and only a net gain for all.
On 3/19/2025 4:37 PM, John Clingan
via microprofile-wg wrote:
At
yesterday's MicroProfile Steering Committee call, John and
Emily presented "Proposal: Host MicroProfile in Jakarta
EE".
Before replying to this post, please review the meeting minutes to
see what has been discussed. Please use this thread to
continue the discussion. The proposal is at a high level, and
some details would need to be worked out if this proposal
moves forward.
However,
for the proposal to move forward, we would need to have a
vote. We are not there yet because the details matter.
Let's
discuss the details in this thread, which is dual-posted to
the Google Group and the MicroProfile Working Group email
alias.
For
those that attended the meeting, please review the minutes for
accuracy.
Thanks!
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