Clark - can you
please address these within
reason please? The key
question here is whether we
can ship the iJUG swag to
Eclipse Foundation Germany
without iJUG paying more
money.
Jan - frankly
international shipping in
any significant quantity is
simply a hassle I hope we
can avoid the best we are
able or at least limit it to
what is absolutely
necessary. I don’t know that
there is a way around paying
taxes, duties, etc if you
absolutely want things
shipped to you. I am sure
the Foundation will do what
it can, but as a non-profit
it cannot do anything
improper. I suggest simply
having Payara distribute
this swag at DevNexus. If
you want a few hoodies for
yourself, I or Ed can save
it aside and give it to you
in person. That in my
opinion is the most
reasonable path here, pretty
much for you too.
Hi Reza,
first, thank you for supporting
this!
Unfortunately I need some
additional information and could
not get
answers on the last MP Marketing
Meeting:
From where the shipping will be
done?
What is the worth of the
shipment?
Which logistic companies are
involved?
When is planed to ship?
Would be able to receive the
shipment free of any charge (to
Germany:
additional transport fees, 19 %
tax, unknown customs
percentage)?
As all the involved parties
"optimize" the (in fact: their
part only of
the) process, we are not sure we
are able to receive a swag
delivery in
a reliable way.
The 2021 Swag delivery failed
glorious and a lot of resources
are wasted
already!
To ensure the delivery of the
2022 swag can be received, I
want to pick
it up in person at the Eclipse
Foundation Europe office or
storage in
Darmstadt, Germany (
https://www.eclipse.org/org/foundation/contact.php,
Silvia will be the contact
person).
The other parts of the EF should
be able select the best option
to send
there - I only figured out that
the 2022 MP Swag is not located
there
already.
As I expect the swag shipment
from somewhere (outside the EU)
will not
be free of charge, delivery to
the JavaLand (starting 21st of
March)
directly will not be possible
already and a hub somewhere is
necessary
to be in time. Or we have to
store it for JavaLand 2024...
Until the swag creation and
delivery process works
end-to-end up to
reliable receiving, I want to
pick up the swag from the EFE
site, which
is reliable (of course, this is
a local optimum from iJUG
unfortunately).
The current process just do not
work for us, as this is a push
(from the
US?), not a pull where you have
at least the chance to track the
delivery.
Because of a lot of cheating in
past of especially electronics
from
China via Amazon with less worth
declarations, the German customs
is
strict now and also the free
delivery limit has been lowered.
On top, from the business
perspective the additional fees
and required
resources to handle these
international shipments (for
swag!) are
suboptimal.
As a habitant of this planet, I
am shocked that we waste so much
resources for sending enriched
cotton around the globe - the
smarter way
would be sending the design
digitally and print locally
(where
possible). This also could take
into account other local
standards like
sizes.
But again, many thanks to you,
Reza, to forward this -
hopefully you
have more success than me in the
past to push this into the right
direction.
And I hope I can spend more
resources to the technical side
(like fixing
vulnerabilities at the moment)
again instead of doing
logistics. ;-)
Best,
Jan
Am 03.03.23 um 18:07 schrieb
Reza Rahman:
> Folks,
>
> We are trying to promptly
send out the 2022 swag to all
members as
> agreed. I need shipping
addresses for the following
members for this
> purpose. I also need a
phone number associated with the
shipping
> address, especially for
shipments outside of North
America. Please
> send it to me and Emerson
(copied) privately. Please
indicate if you
> would like to use this
address/phone number going
forward.
>
> * Fujitsu
>
> * iJUG
>
> * Oracle
>
> * Primeton
>
> * Tomitribe
>
> I already have the details
for Atlanta JUG, Garden State
JUG, IBM,
> Payara and Red Hat - thank
you.
>
> I need this by next Friday,
10th March at the very latest.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reza
>
>
>
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