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Re: [jakartaee-tck-dev] Maintenance Release 8.0.3?

Thanks Lance for the historic background.

I asked my related question on the SPEC committee mailing list which is how long do we need to be able to handle TCK challenges for Jakarta EE 8 (or any other EE release).  Obviously, we will not be able to run TCK tests against Java SE 8 forever which is one limiting factor.   Please see more inline below.

On 3/3/21 11:19 AM, Lance Andersen wrote:
Hi Kevin,

Thank you.

For Java EE, we would exclude the test in the currently supported versions of Java EE, so that typically was   Java EE x and Java EE x-1.

Did we backport the test exclude automatically to Java EE x-1 or do that on a per request basis?

In theory, if you created a 7.1 maintenance release for EE 7, would EE 6 still be considered EE x-1?  Or would Java EE 7.1 be x and Java EE 7 be x-1?

Scott



It would be extremely rare that we would go to Java EE x-2 for the exclude (perhaps if Java EE x just shipped)

Best
Lance

On Mar 3, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Agree, Lance.  In this case, some tests were excluded in the Jakarta EE 9 TCK, which are being requested to be backported (excluded) to the Jakarta EE 8 TCK bucket.


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From:        Lance Andersen <lance.andersen@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:        jakartaee-tck developer discussions <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        03/03/2021 10:09
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-tck-dev] Maintenance Release 8.0.3?
Sent by:        "jakartaee-tck-dev" <jakartaee-tck-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>



Historically, once you exclude a test, the test stays excluded until it is fixed in the next major/release. 

So if test was excluded  in CTS or standalone TCK for say Java EE 8, it would remain excluded until Java EE 8.1 or Java EE 9.

It would not come off of the exclude list for a patch release to CTS or one of the standalone TCKs.

HTH

On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:34 AM, David Blevins <david.blevins@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

We're at 99% passing with the Web Profile TCK, down to 187 failures.  We'll definitely have a handful of challenges ourselves, so we'd also support (and could even help create) an 8.0.3. 

Timing-wise, though, we'd prefer to spend the next couple weeks focused on 9.1 so we can help validate the optional ORB changes.  We could definitely help with an 8.0.3 afterwards.  It wouldn't be immediately after as there would be some time needed to talk through the challenges, but hopefully just a few weeks after.  The 9.1 release is likely to be sometime in April, so perhaps that'd make an 8.0.3 sometime in June.

Olivier, would this timeline work for you?  What do others think?


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On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:50 AM, Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Olivier,
Right now, there were no plans for an 8.0.3 release of the TCK.  Not saying there couldn't be an 8.0.3 TCK release -- it's just that there were no plans.

In the past, fixes to the Java EE TCK were not automatically backported to previous TCK releases.  Since Java EE didn't have the big breaking change like we did with the "jakarta" namespace, it was more straight forward to just direct users of the Java EE TCK to the newer versions.  So, this "javax" to "jakarta" namespace change has definitely introduced a wrinkle into the support statements.  

We want and need teams to move forward to the "jakarta" namespace in Jakarta EE 9.  That's where our focus is on maintaining and enhancing the TCK bucket.  But, we still want to encourage the Jakarta brand by getting more TCK compatible implementations -- whether it's for Jakarta EE 8, or 9, or 9.1...

So, maybe we should start with that question...  What are Webtide's plans on supporting Jakarta EE 9?  Is Jakarta EE 8 compatibility an "end game", or do you have plans to move forward to Jakarta EE 9?

And, the other question is how many changes are you targeting for this backport?  We have to weigh the costs of this backporting exercise along with the release process against the costs of making progress with 9.1 and beyond -- which will help with the long-term livelihood of Jakarta.

This is an excellent discussion point.  But, as you can see, there's no easy answer.  :-)  Thanks for raising the question.

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From:        Olivier Lamy <olamy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:        jakartaee-tck developer discussions <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        03/02/2021 15:58
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] [jakartaee-tck-dev] Maintenance Release 8.0.3?
Sent by:        "jakartaee-tck-dev" <jakartaee-tck-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>



Hi
Is there any plan to release a 8.0.3?
with some fixes backport? (I'm interested with this one
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_eclipse-2Dee4j_jakartaee-2Dtck_pull_562&d=DwICAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=R9dtOS3afYnRUmu_zogmh0VnVYl2tse_V7QBUA9yr_4&m=3Vb3-CGoObTzZTnNFtk0F2FwehNBDTUdSoYJEXN0n9M&s=FS9b-MBCGKcjlC0P2GC6RlzHvQBlQ6XIWDn694WzBqY&e=)
and maybe more?

cheers
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