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Re: [jakartaee-tck-dev] Maintenance Release 8.0.3?
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Thanks Lance for the historic background.
I asked my related question on the SPEC
committee mailing list which is how long do we need to be
able to handle TCK challenges for Jakarta EE 8 (or any other EE
release). Obviously, we will not be able to run TCK tests against
Java SE 8 forever which is one limiting factor. Please see more
inline below.
On 3/3/21 11:19 AM, Lance Andersen
wrote:
Hi Kevin,
Thank you.
For Java EE, we would exclude the test in the
currently supported versions of Java EE, so that typically was
Java EE x and Java EE x-1.
Did we backport the test exclude automatically to Java EE x-1 or
do that on a per request basis?
In theory, if you created a 7.1 maintenance release for EE 7,
would EE 6 still be considered EE x-1? Or would Java EE 7.1 be x
and Java EE 7 be x-1?
Scott
It would be extremely rare that we would go to Java
EE x-2 for the exclude (perhaps if Java EE x just shipped)
Best
Lance
Agree,
Lance. In this case, some tests were excluded in the
Jakarta EE 9 TCK, which are being requested to be
backported (excluded) to the Jakarta EE 8 TCK bucket.
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Kevin Sutter
STSM, Jakarta EE and MicroProfile architect @ IBM
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From: Lance Andersen <lance.andersen@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: jakartaee-tck developer
discussions <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/03/2021 10:09
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-tck-dev]
Maintenance Release 8.0.3?
Sent by: "jakartaee-tck-dev" <jakartaee-tck-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Historically, once you
exclude a test, the test stays excluded until it is
fixed in the next major/release.
So if test was excluded in
CTS or standalone TCK for say Java EE 8, it would remain
excluded until Java EE 8.1 or Java EE 9.
It would not come off of the
exclude list for a patch release to CTS or one of the
standalone TCKs.
HTH
On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:34 AM,
David Blevins <david.blevins@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
We're at 99% passing with the
Web Profile TCK, down to 187 failures. We'll definitely
have a handful of challenges ourselves, so we'd also
support (and could even help create) an 8.0.3.
Timing-wise, though, we'd
prefer to spend the next couple weeks focused on 9.1 so
we can help validate the optional ORB changes. We could
definitely help with an 8.0.3 afterwards. It wouldn't
be immediately after as there would be some time needed
to talk through the challenges, but hopefully just a few
weeks after. The 9.1 release is likely to be sometime
in April, so perhaps that'd make an 8.0.3 sometime in
June.
Olivier, would this timeline
work for you? What do others think?
--
David Blevins
http://twitter.com/dblevins
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:50 AM,
Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Olivier,
Right now, there were no plans for an 8.0.3 release of
the TCK. Not saying there couldn't be an 8.0.3 TCK
release -- it's just that there were no plans.
In the past, fixes to the Java EE TCK were not
automatically backported to previous TCK releases.
Since Java EE didn't have the big breaking change like
we did with the "jakarta" namespace, it was more
straight forward to just direct users of the Java EE TCK
to the newer versions. So, this "javax" to "jakarta"
namespace change has definitely introduced a wrinkle
into the support statements.
We want and need teams to move forward to the "jakarta"
namespace in Jakarta EE 9. That's where our focus is on
maintaining and enhancing the TCK bucket. But, we still
want to encourage the Jakarta brand by getting more TCK
compatible implementations -- whether it's for Jakarta
EE 8, or 9, or 9.1...
So, maybe we should start with that question... What
are Webtide's plans on supporting Jakarta EE 9? Is
Jakarta EE 8 compatibility an "end game", or do you have
plans to move forward to Jakarta EE 9?
And, the other question is how many changes are you
targeting for this backport? We have to weigh the costs
of this backporting exercise along with the release
process against the costs of making progress with 9.1
and beyond -- which will help with the long-term
livelihood of Jakarta.
This is an excellent discussion point. But, as you can
see, there's no easy answer. :-) Thanks for raising
the question.
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Kevin Sutter
STSM, Jakarta EE and MicroProfile architect @ IBM
e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
Part-time schedule: Tue, Wed, Thu (off on Mon and Fri)
From: Olivier
Lamy <olamy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: jakartaee-tck
developer discussions <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 03/02/2021
15:58
Subject: [EXTERNAL]
[jakartaee-tck-dev] Maintenance Release 8.0.3?
Sent by: "jakartaee-tck-dev"
<jakartaee-tck-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Hi
Is there any plan to release a 8.0.3?
with some fixes backport? (I'm interested with this
one
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_eclipse-2Dee4j_jakartaee-2Dtck_pull_562&d=DwICAg&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=R9dtOS3afYnRUmu_zogmh0VnVYl2tse_V7QBUA9yr_4&m=3Vb3-CGoObTzZTnNFtk0F2FwehNBDTUdSoYJEXN0n9M&s=FS9b-MBCGKcjlC0P2GC6RlzHvQBlQ6XIWDn694WzBqY&e=)
and maybe more?
cheers
--
Olivier
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