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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [DISCUSS] Include Jakarta MVC in EE 11
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On 18.07.2023 00:09, David Blevins via jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
On Jul 17, 2023, at 3:02 PM, lenny--- via jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Scott, I would think that having it optional would alleviate the concerns about being forced to support any specs.
Wouldn’t this solve the “chicken-or-egg” problem as well? First, introduce as an optional spec,
and, at a later time, see what kind of traction it gets, and then it can be voted upon to become a compulsory spec in a profile.
Disclaimer: I have not read lately what “exactly” an optional feature in the platform is defined as.
In the last few platform releases we’ve steadily removed optional specs and communicated it’s ok for implementations to still include them as long as they pass the related TCK tests.
If we’re not going to require it to be in every implementation, then we’re already good — implementations have the choice to ship this or any standalone spec.
Hopefully some more can be made optional in the future.
Werner
-David
On Jul 17, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Werner Keil via jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well, everyone has just one vote and nobody has a veto.
Of course for platform additions there's a "filibuster" kind of
requirement with a super majority, which is also why I am not sure, if
removing rarely used specs from the Web Profile is going to happen so soon.
I'm also not sure, if adding it to the Web Profile would help, since MVC
has the charm of little overhead and only REST as a crucial dependency,
so it even works as an optional feature to the Core Profile for
"Self-Contained Systems" with a UI.
On 17.07.2023 21:47, Scott Stark via jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
So a query of our WildFly development team has resulted in them not
wanting to be forced to support this at a platform or profile level as
they simply see no demand for it. While there is integration with
RESTeasy available, we get no usage numbers from that module. They
have suggested creating an experimental feature pack to gather Red Hat
community interest in non-platform/profile specifications. The
following Red Hat issue will track the feature pack:
https://issues.redhat.com/browse/WFLY-18265
For EE11 this means that Red Hat will vote against inclusion of MVC in
either the platform or a profile.
On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 9:09 PM Edward Burns via
jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello Platform Dev,
I have attempted to capture prior discussion about this topic from the following sources:
Agendas: Previous agenda google docs
2023
Monthly
Regular
2022
2021
2020
GitHub Issue: The corresponding issue in https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-platform/issues.
Platform-dev Archive: Any mails on the archive at https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/jakartaee-platform-dev.
Agendas
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o Jakarta MVC
§ Inclusion history
· Only one impl? But the one impl is designed to be cross-runtime already (Rest Easy or Jersey).
· Nobody is using it?
· Nobody is requesting it?
o One implementation (Eclipse Krazo) that comes in two flavors: RESTEasy and Jersey
§ TCK passes on GlassFish, WildFly and Open Liberty
o Spec is mature currently 2.1, ready for EE 11?
o Good lightweight complement to Jakarta Faces
o Builds on Jakarta REST
o A 3.0 is planned in the EE 11 timeframe
Jakarta MVC 2.1 will not be added to the Web Profile for Jakarta EE 10
·
§ MVC - lazy loading, partial page load
https://ci.eclipse.org/mvc/
GitHub Issue https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-platform/issues/661
There is no discussion in the GitHub issue
Platform Dev archive: https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg02520.html
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