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Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] "voting" privileges
Kevin, 

Most excellent that the topic on this thread made it to today's agenda :) 
Reading THIS: 
  • As described above, there will be no shortcuts for adding new committers to the Platform.  We will use meritocracy to determine future committers on this project.
 makes me hopeful & excited! 

Thanks for the follow up and for adding the minutes of today's meeting, you rock! :) 


On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 10:38 AM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Amelia,
This was discussed on our Platform Dev call today.  The official minutes should be coming out soon. But, in the mean time, you can reference the unofficial minutes in our google doc:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xA_xDzGilogGpmGh8_2qDwI1iGXsMpHKsDofdXQSwS0/edit#

  • [KWS] Related to the previous bullet, do we have the proper representation on the Platform project (committers)?
    • https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg00864.html
    • We should encourage additional participation and submit new committers as they have shown an interest and ability to participate.  There should be no “free passes” to get on the committer list.
    • Tomitribe, Payara, and Fujitsu should consider adding additional committers on the Platform project.
    • We’ll leave the Committer voting as-is until or if it becomes an issue, then we can address it.

To answer your specific questions...
  • Each committer will get a vote.  These are not formal votes like what the EDP prescribes for new committers.  We are just using the mailing list to get a general direction for our group's position on various topics as they relate to Jakarta EE 9.
  • As described above, there will be no shortcuts for adding new committers to the Platform.  We will use meritocracy to determine future committers on this project.
  • We should continue to encourage additional participation and eventual committership across all organizations.


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Kevin Sutter
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From:        Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:        jakartaee-platform developer discussions <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc:        Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        11/19/2019 12:28
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] "voting" privileges



Kevin and all, 

I thought about the wonderful open exchanges, now I am confused. Bare with me as I explain why:

the Committers from the Strategic members get only one [1 vote on any topic that deals with the APIs] no matter how many Committers they choose to assign to each project. isn't that correct?

If correct, 
  1. why would we remove current Committers to try to fix what currently is not broken?
  2. why would we consider as the option to add more Committers from the current members? 
  3. isn't our goal to scale and enable others to own it via actions/PRs? leading them to become future Jakarta Committers.

[point 3] THE MOST IMPORTANT: 
  • What is the process oN voting new Jakarta EE Committers within the community expected to be while we start the work on 9 release?
From my Nov. 15th msg in this thread, stats of current the Repo shows: 
image.png
Shouldn't we be focusing on increasing with much care the growth of individual/Community committers also in 2020? 
Setting as baseline the Jakarta EE 8 onward, Community individuals whose actions via the Jakarta EE git ought to earn committer nominations, done without rush, transparently & highlighted via media. To me, that means the ecosystems prioritizes its community of doers & isn't that exactly what we have hoped to become known for as a project.  

Crudely brainstorming- :) 



Amelia Eiras 
twitter.com/ameliaeiras
Tribe: http://tomitribe.com      https://tribestream.io   
OSS:  http://microprofile.io     https://jakarta.ee


On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 2:09 PM Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Kevin Sutter wrote on 11/18/19 7:46 AM:
And, maybe Oracle should drop off one Committer?
FYI, we (Oracle) need to do a lot of cleanup on Committers.  We started with a lot of Committers on many projects in order to simplify the bootstrapping of the projects at Eclipse.  Some of the Committers have moved on to other roles and/or other companies.  We'll likely find a Committer we can drop if that will help.

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