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Re: [] Friends of Jakarta EE Monthly Call

Happy Friday Jakartees, 

For now, the Friends of Jakarta EE zoom time (8am-9am PDT) is protected with 8 votes out of 9. Please note that the header of the agenda minutes contains relevant information about the activity. I have submitted a git issueÑ [ Jakarta EE Resources Tab] Add Friends of Jakarta link #835  The poll will be kept open and housed under the minutes document to gather new Jakartees  interested in joining the call to provide their feedback. Fluid and healthy as such it must be #ossProactive feedback.  

I have started to add topics to next week's call to the agenda. Remember that this call agenda is shaped by those Jakartess, who choose to participate, let's own it and see you next week! 

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 12:02 PM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Happy Wednesday Jakartees, 

Today, the very first Friends of Jakarta zoom call, a Community lead space,  was completed. It was fantastic connecting faces and voices to git activity & forum threads! 
8 Jakartees showed up and shared the 1hr hour. We discussed many topics aside from starting with the INTRO on who we are & why we chose to join the Jakarta EE ecosystem.  There are 5 cute pics shared-- twitter feed.

BY the Community, FOR the Community with #AskMeAnything is the signature of the call. :) 

As such, I have created a doodle poll to collect this Community feedback, any Jakartee interested in attending THIS call can help either confirm current time (8am PDT) OR help set a new time for July & consecutive calls.  
4 continents were used to connect the suggested doodle PDT times: 8am, 10am or 11am (10am is not possible as it collides with the Jakarta EE Specification private call) 
Please see the chart below,  the green shows the current 8am PDT set up.  Americas, Europe, Asia & Africa times in display. I have only 4 slots from my prefered tool, so please-- don't feel offended if you belong to Oceania or Antarctica. :) 


  • Collecting Jakartees feedback until July 15th.  [but this deadline is informal- softly set to provide us exactly 1 week to adjust the July call, if needed. 
  •  The poll contains 3 times and gives you 1 choice to own. FYI: I am located in California, so PDT is the timezone of the table. 
There is no fail result with this thrown feedback loop that was not requested. 
Bias to the core, I believe in a 365 feedback-loop, especially upon launching an OSS initiative that requires its volunteer participants to own that time, first and foremost.     NOW, I believe that this call happening every 4th Wednesday of each month is perfect

Recommendation, when navigating the doole poll: 
  • fill out the chart using either your Git ID, your Twitter ID, or your First/Last Name.
  • Respect is forged by understanding each other. THIS call is a beautiful medium to bring us that much closer. 

See you on the next #JakartaEEFriends call! 

On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 5:54 PM Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hola Jakartees, 

Any initiative in the Jakarta EE project that has no managers or informers but facilitators who enable this ecosystem community to be 100% responsible for maintenance will always have a +1 from me! :)

This message is for Volunteer Contributors that I have yet to meet & to all those whom I appreciate b/c of past interactions. 

Let me project here-- I think each one of us currently here desires to collaborate in an environment that is not only beautiful but also useful because it is  created by each individual that accepts the social-contract of the ecosystem established, hopefully using the #opensouce sharingIScaring mentality. 

By nature, sometimes we tend to be a bit sloppy, "maybe" because none is watching the result of our collaborative actions.  
The Jakarta ecosystem does have a yearly budget and does have people in payroll YET it strives to make things clearer & easier to dive into.  
To do so properly and maintain it in a form that represents its growing community, it requires diverse voices to speak up.  
The bar is to be a rational human eager to teach and learn.  No open source past experience is required for Volunteer Contributors.

Public domain software provides anyone the ability to leverage the software and not return a "thankyou" back to communities. 
Jakarta EE is housed under the Eclipse Foundation, EF, a nonprofit entity. As such the Jakarta project doesn't have the financial pressure to report earnings & keep up with the general growth yearly rates of corporations in the software industry. 
In Jakarta, by not enforcing the message that a "pay me back" is required to Volunteer Contributors, encourages anyone watching to recognize the software value but also see the worth of contributing just as well. The magnitude of feeding back this ecosystem to thank it via actions will maintain its beauty & functionality.   Nothing is more important than YOU, the Volunteer Contributors.  

In May, during the Jakarta EE 2020 WG Candidate elections I asked via this forum how many committers the project had.  The reply was ~165 committers.  To grow to 500 to 1000s committers that include not only code contributors will be the result of those helping today and those being inspired by the actions of others to join just as well.  Merit to add value & feel valued today ought to go for life as records in this rebranding.   

The reality is that Jakarta EE has Paid Contributors, more so than Volunteer Contributions because of its age (those Committers behind the organizations added into the Membership page) and Volunteer Contributors (working on the project mostly part-time).  
The concern, I as a member of the WorkingGroup has and many WG peers have as well is aimed at tackling and continuing to work each day self-auditing that the Paid Contributors (many full timers) do not diminish the influence of the Volunteer Contributors (part time). 
YET, the responsibility is not only for the Working Group but of everyone here today and in the future.  We must watch & self-adit constantly how we collaborate, mental models come into play as so that extra efforts to over communicate via open forums, email.
Q: Are we leaving enough time and space for others, those Volunteer Contributors, to step in & provide feedback? 
Diversity is at the heart of a kick ass community where anyone can fail & feel ok to do so publicly and feel stronger by it. 

One of my favorite quotes applicable to this message is by Brene Brown: 
“When I see people stand fully in their truth, or when I see someone fall down, get back up, and say, ‘Damn. That really hurt, but this is important to me and I’m going in again’—my gut reaction is, ‘What a badass.’”
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There are so many ways to contribute to Jakarta EE, its vision is whatever we choose to uphold to. 
Java EE was +18yrs old when it moved from Oracle to the EF, most of us were only informed. 
For +2years, we have had a choice to join.  Ask yourself, what about the next 20years as Jakarta EE?  We have yet to tackle its very surface. 

Open Source contributing ought to humble everyone contributing. There are no expert Foundations, there are no expert developers or managers. 
 For those who feel differently, do remember to check out THAT "I rock ego" before entering this arena. :)  There are no titles that protect any of us from being call a bullshitter- openly via this forum or other forums, being called a cheap-contributor.   The "me-first mentality" is a cancer to anything, lets watch it, call it out & move forward lighter, always lighter.  #CommunityFIRST! 

I look forward to attending the very first Friends of Jakarta on the 24th,  I will wear my Jakarta t-shirt. :) 

See many of you #ossDOERS with health then, 

PS: Friends of Jakarta EE - Agenda and Minutes  This message will be copy/paste in the agenda call. -check!

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 2:50 PM Theodor Augustin Dumitrescu <> wrote:
Hi Ivar,
this is an awesome initiative. I love it.

Il giorno mer 10 giu 2020 alle ore 22:08 David Blevins <dblevins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto:
I think this is a great initiative, Ivar!

On Jun 10, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Ivar Grimstad <ivar.grimstad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi all,

Here is the information regarding the Friends of Jakarta EE Open Space Monthly Call that we brought up at the Update Call today.
Fourth Wednesday of the Month
11:00 AM Eastern Time

Note that this call is by the community, for the community. It has no formal role in the Jakarta EE Working Group other than being a space where we all can meet up and talk once a month (virtually of course...). 

Whoever is present are the right people, whatever topics discussed are the right topics, and whatever outcome is the right outcome.

Ivar Grimstad
Jakarta EE Developer Advocate | Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
Community. Code. Collaboration. 
Join us at our virtual event:
EclipseCon 2020 - October 20-22

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