Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Guide to Contributing to Jakarta EE 10

["Markus KARG" <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Reza,

long story short: Yes.

But reality is more complex: It is the *EF* that wants some paperwork, but
it is a different story what *you* want to hold in hands for the times when
your employer changes his mind.

The ECA (i. e. the smalles possible paperwork for CONTRIBUTOS) is found
here: https://www.eclipse.org/legal/ECA.php, quote: "By making a
contribution to this project, I certify that the contribution was created in
whole or in part by me and I have the right to submit it under the open
source license indicated in the file or". This means, you don't need to have
your employer sign anything as the EF trusts you that your employer *would*
agree that you submissions may be open sourced *if* he would be asked. But
still, you *should* ask him before you sign that line.

The full COMMITER paperwork concept is outlined in
https://www.eclipse.org/projects/handbook/#contributing-committers, quote:
"When a contributor becomes a committer, they must be covered by a committer
agreement (either a Member Committer and Contributor Agreement (MCCA) or an
Individual Committer Agreement (ICA). Committers on specification projects
must be covered by additional agreements. As the last step in the committer
election process, the Eclipse Foundation systems will determine which
agreement applies and engage a committer paperwork workflow with the new
committer to ensure that everything is in place.".

-Markus


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[mailto:jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Reza Rahman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Juli 2020 03:49
An: Jakarta EE community discussions; Jakarta EE Ambassadors
Betreff: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Guide to Contributing to Jakarta EE 10

I have one more issue in this context I would like to clarify once again 
(the reason is that there seems to be various contradictory ideas on 
this topic from people with perhaps different perspectives).

My understanding is that becoming a contributor has a lot lower 
paperwork bar than being a committer. In general for a contributor it 
appears to be sufficient to just sign the ECA - which in general does 
not seem to require any kind of paperwork from an employer. On the other 
hand, becoming a committer seems to in most/some cases require some kind 
of employer involvement even if effectively signing an "IP waiver" for a 
given employee contributing on their own time. Is this a good layman's 
view of things? Can the right folks (Wayne, Mike, Tanja, Ivar, etc) 
please clarify? I know there are corner cases, but is this a fair 
characterization for most people that will likely contribute using the 
guide (non-vendors, people that probably don't work for member 
companies, contributing individually). Can things be stated in an even 
simpler way?

Again, the objective here is to make the on-ramp for new contributors 
(that may one day become committers, but probably not) as friendly, 
simple and enticing as possible. Having something akin to a verbal logic 
diagram that attempts to cover every corner case is virtually guaranteed 
to confuse and put off people...

Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community 
member and do not reflect the views of my employer.

P.S.: I really thought we did this once for the Jakarta EE 9 
contribution guide already, but I guess not given the ongoing confusion 
going in various directions.

On 7/11/2020 11:53 PM, Reza Rahman wrote:
> The first draft is now complete, could folks kindly take a look: 
>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uZFBoIujXCc-gQhCzh_ZdlKEsrsV0yVVIHzBTI3u
sF8/edit?usp=sharing?
>
> Obviously there are a lot of possible things across the platform and 
> ecosystem, but I do believe it is best to focus on a simple, brief, 
> end-user focused and mostly self-contained resource (to be ultimately 
> part of the Jakarta EE Ambassadors website).
>
> If possible, I would like to finalize this by next weekend.
>
> Reza Rahman
> Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker
>
> Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community 
> member and do not reflect the views of my employer.
>
> On 7/5/2020 11:16 PM, Reza Rahman wrote:
>> Just a quick heads up that as promised I started drafting the guide 
>> this weekend: 
>>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uZFBoIujXCc-gQhCzh_ZdlKEsrsV0yVVIHzBTI3u
sF8/edit?usp=sharing. 
>> I was planning to get a draft done by today but holiday family 
>> obligations got in the way.
>>
>> I hope to get it ready for review by next weekend.
>>
>> Reza Rahman
>> Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker
>>
>> Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual 
>> community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.
>>
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