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Re: [ide-dev] Experiment


Of course the IDE for C/C++ is no better:

But I'll bet if package owners desired a better product-specific page, the foundation would be very happy to host it.  I know they're currently looking to revamp the whole end-to-end download experience, including the web aspects of that, so it's a perfect time to work together toward a great experience for Neon!

And I know there are projects with really nice websites:

I like the CDT one as well:

Something of this style would be much nicer for the C/C++ download page!


Or does the foundation own/manage this page that
On 07.04.2016 18:05, Doug Schaefer wrote:
Ah, that was the other part of my story I edited out.

Yeah, you see the nice orange Downloads button and it takes you to our Downloads page. But I always like to get a bit of an overview on the thing I'm downloading before I do to make sure I'm not wasting my time and bandwidth.

So I click on the Eclipse for Java EE IDE link (I'm not doing EE but it's the first Java IDE I saw - true story, one of the young guys on our team just did that), and I get this:

Now compare that to the IntelliJ page:

Some times I feel like when I do a Gerrit push on a neat new feature, that I'm pushing it into /dev/null. It's a fundamental flaw that's always been with Eclipse. It's not a product. I don't know why we expect it to be a product. You download it and use it, it feels like a product and maybe that's why it confuses people. But a product includes trying hard to get new customers and keep customers happy, great marketing and support. But in open source, that's not really a thing, because that costs money and the link between happy customers of an open source product to the members who pay for that is too long, only extreme visionaries and fans get it.

Anyway, again, I'm ranting. I need to get back to my CDT for Qt feature that I know my commercial customers will appreciate and hopefully open source ones do too, assuming they can find it, so we lose the sigma that you can't build Qt apps with Eclipse so that my commercial customers will feel it worth giving it a try and feel that I'm giving them value with our Eclipse based tools...


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On the site, I see a big orange "Download" button on the top right, above the circles. I've seen some newcomers to Eclipse on that page, and they found the button.
Eclipse is more than the IDE, I find the welcome page describe well the various facets of Eclipse but still makes downloading the IDE pretty accessible.

However, I agree that the package-specific page is not very user-friendly. Maybe the download links should be moved or duplicated to the main area.
Mickael Istria
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