I'm glad Pascal did the jump, I think
he is perfectly positionned to do just that.
If you think upstream contributions funded by end-users might have
a future, consider sharing the piece of news, for what it's worth,
we will at least figure out if that was complete non-sense and
Le 18/10/2013 12:56, Cédric Brun a écrit :
Le 18/10/2013 12:27, Mickael Istria a
Mostly because we're stuck at having great perfect plans and
nothing else will happen if we don't take this into account.
On 10/18/2013 11:50 AM, Cédric Brun
IMO, the debate has turned too much into "how to get more
money?", and has lost focus on the possible IDE improvements.
I find the idea of "let's make the member companies, which are
already paying big bucks and time to the Eclipse projects, which
have their own agenda and business model which is often building
(and sometime sell) a better IDE than the Eclipse one, to fund
this work" quite ... twisted.
That said, since we are speaking about business:
This kind of price (30$ for instance) is so cheap it means IMO :
I'm trying to figure out how an employee can ask his boss to pay
30$ for the reasons you mentioned, and I have to admit that a
pragmatic boss wouldn't see much benefit compared to using the
free version. If the company is small and has a quick purchase
process, it may work in a few cases. In big companies, it would
take much time to get the purchase request approved, and such
big companies have policies against individual software purchase
and prefer to deal with multi-users licenses.
- some employees will pay for it not even asking their boss, just
because they want to have better confort and/or showoff their
- some companies will be ok by paying it through classic expense
account, just like train, restaurant or whatever.
But in the end these are only speculations. How does the
competition sell ? Looking through the various social networks
like reddits & co, some people are deciding to pay for it on
their own because they like it better and often against the
company policy. It looks more like a lot of "small" purchases than
a few big ones.
What would happen in that case, would a big software company
only pay 30$ for some configuration and branding of their main
development tool used by 1000 developers?
I'm paying crappy apps for my phone, especially when I can show
off, I paied for Eclipse plugins from time to time. I pay for
tools which makes my life easier, I even paied for Linux
distributions just to have a slightly better package and support
them. Individual developpers are *paying* 179$ for a individual
license of IntelliJ.
* It's almost impossible to get money from developers.
I might be wrong, I just wanted to point out : it doesn't look
to hard to have a try...
It's possible to get money from companies, but it should be much
more that 30$. So you'll need to set up a license system for
multi-users, which is very complicated.
You need to find a company which business model revolves around
building the greatest IDE possible knowning Eclipse users will get
it for free. Or a company which uses and deploy Eclipse a lot but
are they really looking for non-stagnation ? Aren't they mostly
interested in support, maintainance and compatibility ? And, by
the way funding from a big player and such a bundle can work
I'm thinking such service would be a nice offering for Eclipse
members (who already paid), or could be a valid business for a
company who sells support for Eclipse IDE (is there already
one?). But I don't see how this would make the IDE better.
By the statement that : what we cash is injected in the projects
to make the IDE better.
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