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Re: [ee4j-pmc] ACTION: Release Reviews
Bill,
I'll offer these insights...  First of all, I agree with you that the Eclipse processes are sometimes difficult to figure out.  Getting all of the required approvals, notes, etc in place before we could release various MicroProfile releases was a pain.  But, on the plus side, the Eclipse team has been very willing to work with us to get it all figured out in time.  We haven't missed a desired release date yet for MicroProfile.  And, as you do a release or two, all of this becomes much easier.  So, even though I agree that the process documentation could be better, it does seem workable and Wayne and the rest of the Eclipse team are ready to help out.  Just my two cents worth...

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Kevin Sutter
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From:        Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx>
To:        EE4J PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        11/13/2018 12:35 AM
Subject:        Re: [ee4j-pmc] ACTION: Release Reviews
Sent by:        ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx



Maybe it's not apparent to you, but many people are just not going to read the handbook from beginning to end (although I've tried), and a recommendation to read it while in the middle of trying to get something done is likely to be ignored.

I've already forgotten what the differences were between the "create a release" page and the "create a review" page.  At least one of them allowed me to select any date after today.  But to do a release I need to complete a release review before then, and I need to complete IP review before that, and the release review has to be synchronized to twice a month.  None of that was apparent on any of the pages as I remember.  Yes, maybe if I read the entire handbook I would only use the creation pages in safe manner.  If the pages can't enforce these constraints for me, they should at least explain the constraints so I can use the pages effectively.

So, explaining the synchronization requirements and the lead time requirements on the creation pages would be a good start.

Thanks.


Wayne Beaton wrote on 11/12/18 12:51 PM:
The "create a release" page includes a link to the documentation (although it's an old link) with a request that you "Please review the release cycle documentation."

The "create a review" page only lets you select valid review dates. 

It's all captured in the handbook, which includes this passage (along with a pretty complete overview of what's required):

We schedule reviews to conclude on the first and third Wednesdays of the month. Your release date does not have to coincide with the review date (you can set the release date as necessary). The review must, however, conclude successfully before you can make the release official.

What, specifically, would like to see added or changed?

HTH,

Wayne

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:40 PM Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'm still learning about all the timing requirements related to these release reviews.  When I submitted my recent release reviews, it only said I needed to allow one week for community review.  It didn't say anything about needing to synchronize with some twice monthly event.

It also wanted another week for IP review, but that wasn't apparent until after I submitted the release review.

Can someone summarize the actual requirements, and maybe get them added to the release review creation page where it asks you to supply a date?

Thanks.

Kevin Sutter wrote on 11/02/2018 06:00 AM:
Another bit of advice...  Currently, the Eclipse Release Reviews are only on the first and third Wednesdays of the month.  That means, Nov 7 and 21.  Very few projects will be ready by the 7th, so that means a huge backlog of release reviews on the 21st...  Unless...  I seem to remember Wayne possibly proposing some additional release reviews during this initial hectic time period.  Wayne, any thoughts on that idea?  With the push to be done by the end of the month, there's going to be a ton of release reviews requested this month.

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Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and Java EE architect
e-mail:  sutter@xxxxxxxxxx    Twitter:  @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)    
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter



From:        Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:        EE4J PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        11/02/2018 04:54 AM
Subject:        Re: [ee4j-pmc] ACTION: Release Reviews
Sent by:        ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx



Yes. The release content should be in a "release candidate" form prior to engaging in the release review.

Wayne

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018, 05:42 Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxxwrote:
Question on timing from my team. Do they have to update to Jakarta released artifacts before release review?

 

From: ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx<ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Dmitry Kornilov
Sent: 01 November 2018 15:26
To: EE4J PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ee4j-pmc] ACTION: Release Reviews

 

Hi,

 

According to GlassFish 5.1 release plan each project has to pass the release review before Nov 30th. In order to meet this deadline I am strongly suggesting initiating the release review process as soon as possible. 

 

Release review how-to guide is a part of this article. Please update Release Review Tracker page when the review is initiated or completed .

 

Thanks,

Dmitry
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