I have to chime in here. A trademark check is free of cost and can be done using the Madrid database system in the browser. We are more than 300 people. If every one would have picked one name, we would have been finished for 0 $ within five minutes. But nobody every had the idea to even propose this to us. That missing communication is what people do not like about the current situation. We do want to ge involved into that decisions. We do not like to just get presented the result. Why not letting people vote for ALL logos and THEN check only the winners top-down for legal issues? -Markus From: ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Blevins
Sent: Freitag, 23. März 2018 23:31
To: EE4J community discussions
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Jakarta EE logo selection process - next steps There's a financial aspect to this and it's a similar one we made in the EE4J PMC on the brand name. On brand name there was no way we could trademark search all 300 or so entries we got, so we narrowed them down using taste and searched those. Many of them still failed and we were left with a subset. There was really no other way to do it because the cost to trademark search all 300 was far outside of obtainable and probably not the best use of funds; you could put on a conference for that amount of money. What went up for vote was fully searched in deep detail so that if the community picked it we could actually use it. That factor does exist here as well. Fully scanning one logo is at least 1-2 hours of legal work. Roughly 55 logos is 55-110 hours of Lawyer time. That's a bit much for a non-profit to pay for. Yanking the entries that nod to Jakarta the location based on the broad legal advice does narrow it down a bit, but 40+ (making that number up) entries is still too many. We're not just taking over Java EE, we're taking over paying for Java EE as well. We're not used to thinking about it. Whatever the cost for screening, I'll personally donate from my own pocket enough so we can have at least one more choice. Anyone else? Right. Some were removed for legal reasons but the rest was a subjective decision by the marketing team. On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I understood the original mail in a way that from all submissions the EF
removed everything but left over only four due to a pre-selection by their
*marketing* team (not *legal* team).
-Markus
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[mailto:ee4j-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Heiko W. Rupp
Sent: Freitag, 23. März 2018 20:07
To: EE4J community discussions
Subject: Re: [ee4j-community] Jakarta EE logo selection process - next steps On 23 Mar 2018, at 18:35, Markus KARG wrote:
> I second that. The EF should simply remove those logos which are
> legally problematic, and then let the community vote for their
> favorite. This is a community project, and
Isn't that what
| > * We will hold a community vote to determine which of these
| > final candidate logos should be the chosen logo.
says?
I understand Paul that the EF needs to (to quote you) "remove those logos
which are legally problematic", which is done by the marketing team, as they
know this process of removal best.
But then I may be wrong.
Heiko
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